Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

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bernie's big socialism speech got 100000% eclipsed by all the other news this week. poor old man.

he's got a couple more months of celebrity, might as well milk it

http://i.imgur.com/mCBudgP.jpg

Dude is so uptight. He would look older than his dad by the time his term is over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RellDX599HY

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Trump's "Arabs-cheered" lie extra-creepy b/c anti-Semites have long told same lie about Jews to blame 9/11 on Israel

november was the month we all realized that an openly fascist demagogue was leading the polls (national and state-by-state) for the republican primary.

http://www.worldmag.com/media/images/content/face012.jpg

trump's superpac director talks about the BLM protester that got roughed up at a rally:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-super-pac-head-im-sick-and-tired-of-the-black-lives-matter-thing/

salon has a slightly different set of quotes from the same clip:

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/23/head_of_trump_superpac_accidentally_admits_the_donalds_rallies_are_only_for_white_people/

this one is amazing:

“Being in Birmingham, Alabama, going in and disrupting that thing, that’s no place for #BlackLivesMatter to try to bring their issues to the forefront”

i mean

other western countries with parliamentary systems have shown a steady ~10% of the populace goes for nationalist and xenophobic parties (with a weird smattering of nonconservatives liking it too) so trump's support doesn't seem exceptional. we're right in line.

if he actually wins Iowa man I can't imagine the panic that will ensue

It's been a particularly horrifying Trump-centric weekend. I always thought he was a worthless dick but it's clear at this point that he's a legitimately horrendous person. He and all of his supporters can't get dragged under the wheels of a bus soon enough.

gonna be sad when he sells California to the Japanese

if they're going to go wholesale fascist they could at least get some snappier uniforms

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDuSbHjWgAAOwlu.jpg

i don't really find trump amusing anymore, if i ever did. at this point if he just said "we should fry 'em all in ovens" would his poll numbers drop at all?

probably not

he needs to be trashed creatively, toss some cream pies or shoes at him at close range

I never paid any attention to the views of reality show host Donald Trump before. Was he always this much of a racist fuck?

yes

he's been well known as an asshole since the 80s

frankly I'm surprised no oppo-research has turned up anything criminal

network tv execs and corporate advertisers think openly racist remarks are bad for business, so trump never got to indulge in them during his reality shows to the extent he can now that he's a presidential candidate. tv execs and corporate advertisers are poised to do some rethinking of their position if he wins in iowa and nh.

Trump has been great for click$ though.

at this point Aerican journalism deserves as much condemnation. Publishing his remarks has done wonders for the white right's sense of aggrievement.

John Dean's 2006 book _Conservatives Without Conscience_ points out the work of Dr Bob Altemeyer, who studied American responses to authoritarianism. Dr Bob's take is that any time from the 20th Century on, you always get about 1 out of 4 or 5 people who'd happier walk into full-on fascism and think everything better for it. It helps to explain why Presidential approval ratings will never drop below a certain number, and even Nixon's was at like 19% the day resigned.

We've had both fascists and full -on Nazis thru the 30s & 40s as large movements.

well, sure, but i can't seem to remember a time in my life (i'm in my mid 30s) when someone this openly authoritarian was leading the polls for more than a few weeks.

my girlfriend wondered if this is how some people felt when goldwater was running. i would guess no -- although many in the GOP were terrified of goldwater (and correctly assumed he'd be trounced in the general election), he wasn't nearly so much of a demagogue as trump, no?

https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/668868071524712448?lang=en

.@RealBenCarson tells me he "saw the film" of American Muslims cheering as the towers fell in New Jersey on 9/11.

Ben Carson also saw the film of Washington crossing the Delaware, and he has forty eyes and a talking dog named Jellybeans. Doesn't really mean much, considering the source.

I would ask the Republicans, again and again: how many thousands of your potential voters do you think are going to hold their nose and pull the lever for Hillary (or sit this round out entirely) rather than support either of these two maniacs?

My dad was a dyed-in-the-wool republican, and I know for a fact that he could've never voted for either in good conscience. I have to imagine there are scores of people in the same position.

he wasn't nearly so much of a demagogue as trump, no?

I was quite young during that election, but Goldwater was much more careful in his rhetoric and far less blatant than Trump. Barry wished to come across as a statesman. He wrapped himself in the flag of patriotism and states' rights and struck a noble pose. Trump really doesn't gaf.

so, to sum up, you're a person alive during the presidential election of 1964 and you're using the word "gaf"

;)

re "I wonder if Trump has plans for monetizing the atmosphere of hate he's whipped up after he fails to become president."

I'm sure he'll be happy to be interviewed saying "See? I told you so, you idiots should have elected me" every time something goes wrong.

xp When the gaf train left the station, I was barely able to grab the caboose and pulled myself aboard. I owe it all to ilxor.com.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45291_We_Found_Where_Donald_Trumps_Black_Crimes_Graphic_Came_From

Equal parts unsurprising and fucking wow.

hey it's INFORMATION, who CARES where it comes from

- 2 hrs from now

That little tidbit honestly can't be disseminated enough: Trump is spreading racist propaganda created by a neo-Nazi and attempting to pass it off as fact.

xpost So many of the replies to Trump's tweet were all "how can numbers be racist?!". As if those turds wouldn't have balked mightily at stats that opposed their fucked up worldview

"Non Dildo'd Goyim" is gonna be Trump's veep

was hoping for uncle shavedlongcock, RIP

Watching the Sunday shows yesterday, a) I was surprised that Trump's lead was still steady around 25%, at both the state level and nationally (three months ago, almost no one thought that was going to last; I definitely didn't), but b) Rubio would be my pick right now--he's had a steady climb, and, watching him on Meet the Press, I don't think he's going to scare anyone away. Rubio and Cruz sometimes get grouped together, but I can't see that; Cruz is just too bizarre.

bizarre is the fashion of the day

I guess, putting myself in a pair of Republican shoes at the moment, that I would be hard-pressed to say who I favored among the nominees. So you have the lunatics who are excitedly throwing out Trump's and Carson's names when polled and very likely a whole host of Republicans who can't muster enthusiasm about any of the other inhabitants of the clown car for the sake of the pollsters but will probably half-heartedly back whichever non-insane candidate eventually rises above the froth.

Trump is doing some cheap attack ads on his Instagram, which seems like a smart and slightly inconspicuous way to do them:

https://www.instagram.com/p/-bz5HWGhXZ/?taken-by=realdonaldtrump

b) Rubio would be my pick right now--he's had a steady climb, and, watching him on Meet the Press, I don't think he's going to scare anyone away.

if you dig into that recent WashPo/ABC poll, Rubio was also the top "second choice" with 17%, as in, "if you couldn't vote for candidate X, who would be your next choice?". Carson and Trump were just behind him on that, though - 16% and 14%, respectively.

also interesting in that poll was a question about how much attention people are paying to the election at this point. the net (VERY interested + somewhat interested) was 75% of those polled. that may not sound like a lot, but it's higher than previous election cycles. in november '11, for example, it was 65%, in november '07 it was 67%, and in late october '03 it was 54%. there's the conventional wisdom that polling doesn't matter at this point because no one's paying attention and of course that will still hold true to a degree, but more and more people are paying attention earlier and earlier. it's somewhat surprising because you'd think an effect of the endless campaign of perpetuity and despair would end up alienating people from the process altogether, but i guess the magnetic fascism of Trumpism is enough to outweigh the nausea of the infinite campaign.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-nov-15-19-2015/1880/

And the number of wingnuts who really really hate Obama.

I missed if this was already posted, but here's Matt Taibbi following around the clown car in NH:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-clown-car-rolls-on-20151117

I'm realizing that I don't understand some of the basic mechanics of this system. Is there a good online resource that explains things like: exactly what a caucus is and how/why it differs from a primary, why the primaries/caucuses take place in the order that they do, how the results of these caucuses/primaries lead to the choice of the party's Presidential candidate, etc? (I gather that e.g. Clinton and Sanders won very close percentages of the vote in this caucus, with Clinton getting 22 delegates and Sanders getting 21: does this mean that at the party leadership convention, there will be 22 Iowa delegates who will vote for Clinton on the first ballot with 21 voting for Sanders? Or does Clinton get to count all of Iowa in her pocket because she got more delegates this time? etc.) It's probably high school civics class material but I don't always trust Wikipedia and I don't always find journalistic sources to be that clear.

Whoops, missed the new thread.

Nm, think I got it now.

rand paul is dropping out

a good note on which to close this thread. We're here now: I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

Mods?

whoops, thanks! i'm so used to ctrl+f'ing "faith" when i have urgent political news

Who can find the betting odds on Reagan's dudes working through 2020? They'll be pushing 85 by then.

― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Monday, January 25, 2016

thread still needs locking but i am happy to have scalia's death marked in every thread on the board tbh