Marvel's Jessica Jones

spooling out the first season as background worked reasonably well. kind of worried they'll stick with this format and either the next season or the Luke Cage show will be completely about tracking down the company creating drugs for super powers for a whole season

I also was kind of hoping they were going for a Moon Knight background for the cop instead of the direction they went

I guess I successfully avoided spoilers, because I didn't realize Simpson was going to become that character until he said that line in the hospital.

Finished this today in a 5-episode binge. I think it's good – definitely not criticism-proof, but better than Daredevil, better than most of the MCU films. Ritter's good, Colter's good, Ritter and Colter together are great. Tennant's better than I thought he'd be. Most of the secondary characters have strongly plotted arcs, though howler dialogue is still a problem in this wacky universe.

I'll hold off talking about particulars for a while because they're too spoilery. Really looking forward to Luke Cage.

sweet christmas!

So, got around to this today and really enjoyed it. Everybody was great, even Tennant, and if Luke Cage builds on this we have a treat waiting.

I think actually my favourite bit was the way super-strength was handled. Opening doors, chains etc seemed completely natural which is how I always imagined it should be rather than RAAAR STRONG.

Hadn't thought about Moon Knight, and they probably should push that as a later series.

I liked this ok even though it was a little didactic for my tastes and even though about halfway through i started thinking way too literally about how ridiculous the villain's superpower is and why don't they just put in ear plugs and punch him out etc. etc. etc. also too many characters making dubious and conveniently plot-extending decisions. still: not bad!

Because his power is about pheromones (in the comics) and some kind of 'bacteria' cloud (in the series) so just not hearing him won't necessarily stop him affecting you.

if you can't hear what he's say will you still do what he says? how much does intentionality play into this? why am I thinking about this so much?

Seems to be open to debate. In Avengers Academy, for instance, just seeing him say the words and unintentionally 'hearing' them is enough but in the most recent Daredevil blotting out the words with loud music can protect people.

In the series I thought intentionality was played well - I thought there was at least a suggestion that Jessica wasn't under his control when they were together.

yeah that was an interesting ambiguity

i wonder if they cast the guy who played simpson specifically because he looks like an off-brand steve rogers

I would bet $10 on yes. How many beefed up Marvel characters are attempts to create more Cap-style super soldiers?

also igh = inhuman growth hormone?

Bit of a disappointment for me. so many good ideas, so indifferently executed. also, eight episodes of story draaaaagggged out to a full 13.

finished it last night. feel like i live in Bizarro World for all the love this is getting but hey ho glad people like it i guess.

agree if this arc was like four episodes shorter it woulda been way better.

(or if they had four "case of the weeks" interspersed even to keep the arc things less draggy)

I am 8 eps in... I really like it but the myriad ways they do everything but just fuckin shoot Kilgrave is getting kinda ridic
I know that's not the point of the show but the decision-making is getting kinda silly

Also a neato sidebar: Will Traval, the actor who plays Simpson, is an Aussie actor who hails from my hometown. He was in my sister's Year 12 drama class. It was pretty exciting to see him pop up with a recurring role in this!

So far I'm buying it (7 eos in); without Kilgrave alive, they can't plausibly prove Hope's innocence.

I knew VG's family were very near merciless killers

Well hey, this is pretty good.

will definitely watch a luke cage show. i love lemond bishop. would watch him read phone book.

i always feel so bad for him on the good wife when those stupid-ass lawyers mess up his shit.

and all the stupid-ass lawyers are always like haha we really got bishop this time and i yell at the screen bitch you WORK for him. who the hell do you think pays for that zillion dollar apartment of yours? he really deserves better council.

Just at the end of ep 11

damn, this show (AKA 1000 Cuts was some next-level OMG shit)

i have 1 episode left

this shit is bananas
b a n a n a s

Just at the end of ep 11

damn, this show (AKA 1000 Cuts was some next-level OMG shit)

Yeah that bit was mad.

Finished this off in a big 4-episode sesh the other night. Won't spoil things, but my assessment overall is pretty similar to WillamC's upthread (albeit that I don't share most of his knowledge of recent MCU stuff) - so yes it isn't perfect, there's moments of clunky dialogue and miss-steps in plot development sprinkled right through, but overall it's far and away one of the most gripping things I've seen this year. Great characters and performances throughout too.

Full disclosure - I've not read the comic book, and as above am not super-familiar with recent Marvel comics generally or the adaptations thereof. Basically I only started watching this because of Netflix screaming at me 'NEW EPISODES OF JESSICA JONES! JESSICA JONES TRENDING! YOU WILL WATCH JESSICA JONES NOW!' every time I logged in. But with most other shows I've tried out recently because of Netflix promotion, I've ended up shrugging and giving up after a few episodes, so it was really nice surprise to find something that was better than I was expecting, rather than worse.

Should I watch Daredevil y/n?

yyyyyyy

Well I guess that settles it then ;)

:D

Just watched the first 2 episodes -- I'm having trouble accepting David Tennant as a super villain, because I keep associating him with that cheery "Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins" voice from Dr. Who and Broadchurch, and I laugh at the thought of his victims saying things like, "I will read the newsie-wewsies now." and "Blood sausage IS DELICIOUS!!"

he gets more ott and creepy as it goes on

i finished the final ep last night
O_O

Yeah Tennant's whole performance is basically "you know the 10th Doctor in real life would be a terrifying nightmare garbage person, right"

When she hears him calling someone a "ginger twat" over the phone was where i realised he was a rum bugger.

Ive watched 9 eps in the last 2 days: this is prob the best thing Marvel Studios has done up to this point. I really enjoy how in tone and execution, it resembles a TV-MA season of Veronica Mars as much as it does Daredevil

Yeah Tennant's whole performance is basically "you know the 10th Doctor in real life would be a terrifying nightmare garbage person, right"

― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, December 10, 2015 4:25 PM (2 weeks ago)

I watched the rest of it with this post at the front of my mind.

What's your verdict?

it made the show more interesting! I liked it anyway, but it really made me question why his character did what he did, considering his powers

in the comics from what i gather he does occasionally have more ambitious schemes. here he was constantly concerned about minimizing his exposure, which makes sense as the limited range of his powers means he wouldn't necessarily be that difficult to take out or contain once the danger he represented was known. his lack of imagination made sense w/ his character for me also, that ultimately the limit of his desires would just be nice places to stay, nice clothes, good food, women. it's all the negative traits a rich brat might pick up - laziness and lack of empathy esp - w/o any of the positive traits a rich brat might have absorbed - sophistication, culture, class, noblesse oblige - nor the aspirations toward these things that a nouveaux riche might possess (cf kingpin in daredevil). the show made him more interesting and sympathetic than the comic also, his pathology is what you might expect from a kid who could always get what he wanted and a grew up into an easily bored man that could never trust anyone nor ever need to trust anyone.

this was fun to watch, because as noted a few posts up, this is basically Veronica Mars starring Gia Goodman.

Thanks to Veg for giving the seal of approval on Daredevil. Eight episodes in and this is excellent.
Of all the cultural things for me to get a buzz off of at this stage in my life, I really wouldn't expected comic-book adaptations to be one of them - but here we are.

After 50 years, the MU is a notebook jammed full of iconic characters and heroes' journeys and weird inversions of heroes' journeys and interesting plotlines -- costumes and powers are almost beside the point. Certainly not everybody feeding Marvel their dollars is viewing through the vaseline-smeared lens of nostalgia, so they must be doing something right from the standpoint of basic storytelling.

After 50 years, the MU is a notebook jammed full of iconic characters and heroes' journeys and weird inversions of heroes' journeys and interesting plotlines

Oh for sure, I'm not doubting this for a second. Reading my post back, it probably comes across as patronising, as if I'm sneering at long-term MU devotees, but that's not where I'm coming from - more just flagging up that this is a slightly out-of-character thing for me to be into.
The richness of the storytelling is a huge part of what I'm enjoying in both shows, so it's heartening to know that they're just the tip of the iceberg in that regard.

No worries, I didn't read any patronizing in yr post. I'm just tickled, as a Marvel Zombie going back to the early 70s, that the decades of accumulated characters and stories in the print universe is being mined carefully and reasonably successfully for the cinematic universe.

Just started, sooooooo much better than Daredevil. Didn't think that Ritter could pull the grit to do something like this, but she's been pretty damn great.

First episode is kind of inert, but it picks up really quickly, i.e. when Trish starts punching people.

I'm sad this wasn't renewed as quickly as DD was.

it'd be cool if they did some cross-over episodes, like the arrow/flash collabos

they're doing an entire crossover series

eventually

i am given to understand freeform's tampon-cannon is very popular at live events such as state fairs, taffy pulls and barn-raisings

You just used three names to describe the same event, you Ameri-dummy (see also: jelly offs, hog rassles).

Re-railing the train: I both identified Whizzer and predicted the alternate employment of his nickname immediately after he mentioned super speed and I noticed the color of his hoodie. Fastest nerd on the couch, that's me.

look i'm doing my best to understand the backward social customs of yr heathen colonial culture, cut me some slack here

well this wasn't very good. lowlight was probably the lesbian whorgy where jeri takes superpoppers.

yeah i’m only half invested in this

6 episodes in, bored and irritated but somehow i'll hatewatch the whole thing which is more than i can say for defenders

the first 6 are the worst, on the bright side.

^^^ summing up the marvel TVverse in one sentence

Second season features the most nightmarish tv proposal ever

finally got around to finishing season two with all the enthusiasm of someone clearing a beehive from their shed six months after it appeared

this season was very, very bad, folks

It was nowhere near as good as the first, I can agree.

Whoever proposed on one of these threads that the Netflix seasons should be cut down to maybe like 6-8 episodes was suuuuuuuper OTM. I mean...why thirteen? They've demonstrated with every outing that they don't have enough material for a solid thirteen-episode season. Every outing winds up feeling threadbare and wheel-spinny at some point. Just tighten it up, folks. Trim the fat.

As I do with most of the world's problems, I blame Loeb.

yeah, it just drrrrraaaaaagged on for so long with so little material

krysten ritter def seemed to have less to work with this season too - any progress jessica seemed to have made as a person in s1 was right out the window

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!