Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

feel like cap and iron man being 'on the wrong sides' makes more sense w how the movie characters have been set up, w/ the very corporate iron man the movies have and the captain america who spent half of his last movie on the run from the govt. yes, it was a govt. infiltrated by hydra or whatever. in the comics it just seemed arbitrary / an excuse for a dust-up.

Not the government, SHIELD, but good point about Cap. I feel Downey has been particularly good at being bad at taking advice/orders, though. Though the pomposity he could bring to the high moral ground would appeal to his Tony Stark.

Here's your final trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrVegVI0Us

wait re: the ending, had that leaked and I missed it

Heavily rumored IIRC but I can't recall if it had been specifically confirmed.

part of amy pascal's sony bailout was that sony would 'lend' spiderman to marvel for a couple movies before they reboot (again)

Well they'd already confirmed a new film with Holland, it just wasn't clear if he was going to be in this film, which, well, there we are.

yeah it makes perfect sense considering his role in the comics

Russo Bros were in Cleveland for Wizard World a couple of weekends ago. I didn't go but a friend of mine did, and went to their panel. They're talking about coming back here again for shooting Avengers: Infinity War, and one of the locations they're discussing is literally a two minute walk from my house.

I thought it had been confirmed quite a long time ago that Spidey was going to be in the new Cap movie.

Might have been! Maybe the surprise was just that he ended up in the trailer.

Haven't they confirmed, like, 50 superheroes for Infinity War? How many are we up to so far, across the various films?

#teamantman

hey they've animated spidey's eyes

these trailers should start with the sound of a bucket of toys being dumped out

This movie is totally going to end with Thanos watching earth in his little whatever, laughing, and saying something like "what a bunch of fools, let them fight while my evil plan finally comes together!"

or spiderman eating a gyro with thor

willie lumpkin sharing a caesar salad with misty knight

I still haven't seen Ant Man.

You wouldn't.

ha.

Ant Man is... pretty good?

hoping for Michael Peña cameo in Ant Man scenes

Yeah, I'm sure they'll probably try to squeeze him in. He was a hit.

he'll be going to town on a mezze platter with aunt may in a post-credits sequence

Thanks for the new DN.

haha yr welcome

comes across as more of a euphemism in your DN and o my god i'm gonna be sick

given how old spidey sounds here, i'm guessing aunt may will be played by... brie larson?

Marisa Tomei. Yes, seriously.

The Spidey costume looks too smooth compared to the rest.

Surely you meant to say "Academy Award Winning Actress Marisa Tomei".

i would go to town on her messy platter

jesus christ does every one of these movies have to pose some sort of huge existential threat to humanity?

kinda how superheroes work, tho hoping for this one to be more internal-facing instead of NYC getting whack-a-moled again

not really, why can't it be like a guy in a big mouse costume threatening to rob the first municipal bank?

Spidey looks like Japanese Spider Man

Better than Turkish Spider-Man...

The three Iron Man movies and Ant-Man didn't have existential threats to humanity, just some corrupt arms dealers. Neither did Guardians of the Galaxy, technically, though I guess existential threat to another planet than Earth isn't really that different?

the norton hulk movie didn't either.

Nor did the first Thor movie.

So, "every one of these movies" = 5 of the 12 movies released so far.

Still, a failure to heed the wise words of Nigel Kneale:

"I didn't want to go on repeating because Professor Quatermass had already saved the world from ultimate destruction three times, and that seemed to me to be quite enough."

Constant threat escalation has been probably the main narrative problem in Marvel's comics for the past decade or so. It's hard to maintain a range of tones when you're always all BLACK BLACK BLACKER EVEN BLACKER NOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. I'm hoping that Secret Wars has lanced that boil for a while and that Infinity War will do likewise for the MCU. I assume that most of the individual character movies in the ramp-up will feature fewer world-demolishing threats.

afaict from the trailers there's no existential threat to humanity in this very picture right here. it's about ~friendship~ man.

I was going to say that this movie appears to be about the fallout of living through escalating existential threats to humanity rather being about a threat in and of itself but it seemed like everyone involved was really enjoying the conversation

Constant threat escalation has been probably the main narrative problem in Marvel's comics for the past decade or so

^^^^

surely DC's guilty of this too?

who is doing spidey's voice there?

xpost Yes, DC is definitely guilty of that, too, but I'd argue that their main narrative problem is not knowing what the fuck they're doing.

Spidey's voice is presumably Tom Holland, no?

151 minutes

Sure but Crossbones was in the "felons controlled by Luke Cage in a thinly-veiled version of Suicide Squad" iteration, not the Zemo iteration

Think the actor who played Crossbones has suggested his character might return, not that it seems all that plausible.

i'm sure everyone's forgotten this already but it was very convenient that it happened to be bucky who killed stark's parents and it happened to be captured on cctv which happened to make it back to siberia (i think??) and it happened to be only stark and cap am and bucky who turned up there (plus black panther who happened to redact himself). i know, forget it jake it's comic book town.

It seemed pretty inconvenient if I'm honest it made it very tricky to resolve the issue without conflict

yeah i would have been happier without the extra 20 minutes of 'enhanced' white dudes slugging each other around. which maybe begs the question why i bother watching these things.

I thought this movie was a humourless clusterfuck (with good Spider-Man bits) and not sure why everyone went crazy over it. Maybe it just got overpraised in the wake of BatVSupes showing just how bad one of these movies *could* get.

well the real civil war was a humorless clusterfuck so

Huh, I would've sworn this was before BvS.

funnily enough i rescreened this again recently and it's fine - didn't like it as much as i did upthread but it does a good job of keeping a lot of characters moving and it's got some cool moments

ledge's point about enhanced folks slugging each other at the climax is fair but i still much prefer the small, personal nature of the conflict to yet another 'gotta close the portal in the sky!' finale

winter soldier is a hard act to follow tbf

oh and the fight choreography is fkn rad, even if there is a bit too much of it

i didn't love it but it's still fine. i don't really get why tony and steve *have* to fight at the end, it's all too idiot plot

but iron man 2 is still the only flat-out bad marvel movie, i think.

Dr Strange. Awful.

Didn't think winter soldier was any better than avg for marvel tho

xps no the REAL Civil War was the friends we made along the way

Winter Soldier was basically Marvel's Bourne movie.

But better because CAPTAIN AMERICA

^^^

deal, I'll watch it again this weekend

russo era marvel makes it obvious that punching is the only way to solve any problem.

(punching was also the solution in the whedon era, but he managed to hide it well.)