You accuse me of altering review scores at GameStop's bidding, which is calling me crooked. then compare us to an in flight magazine, stop your faux naif routine.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 23:17 (eight years ago) link
Sorry everyone but all this time of I'm not saying I'm just saying shit cannot take it one more minute.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link
Okay well, I expressed surprise because, when you hear a big magazine is owned by a big retailer of what the magazine covers, it's not the default assumption that the magazine has a completely free hand. You get that, right? I mean, I was already aware of it because it made Leigh Alexander's List of Actual Ethical Concerns post.
You tell me it's not the case, that's fine, I am completely down with that, and it's a pleasant surprise - that's what I meant by "that's neat". I'm aware that the things you referenced as evidence are public, and I could have found them out beforehand, but I'm not a journalist researching a story - I'm some asshole having an opinion on the internet. I don't think I've ever actually held a copy of GI.
I do know enough journalists though, that I wasn't expecting you to take it as a personal insult - it wasn't intended as such, even if I'd known you worked there before today I'd have figured a job's a job. But I clearly have insulted you, so sorry about that.
Anyway, all I meant by the second line was just that "We do some things that don't benefit our owner's bottom line" is kind of an odd defense of the independence (which again I'm not disputing), as even publications that are very clearly commercially driven and/or utilitarian have *some* other material in them. I cast around for an example and came up with an in-flight magazine - it's a comparison in so far as any analogy is, but it was intended to be clearly at the other end of the range from what you've just described GI as. Clearly I need to work on my clearly.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
I think regardless of who owns the game magazine, there's an interest in covering all games as well as you can, since even people who buy items not carried in-store are going to want to buy accessories, controllers, or other physical items they could shop for at the mall.
I used to love reading game reviews as a kid even when I actually bought very few games -- partially because I was limited in the number of games I could afford to buy, but also because my mom could be talked into buying me reading material. Probably half out of gratitude for the ability to park me at the magazines/books section in Target for a while when she went to go get things I wasn't into.
On the other hand, a store is going to want to work to sell to all their possible customers, regardless of where the actual game is being downloaded. And they'll try to pull a few bucks out of that, too. I mean, Gamestop sells Steam gift cards! http://www.gamestop.com/collection/steam-cards
m@tt I get the defensiveness, but if having a magazine didn't sell games, even if the content doesn't directly advocate what games, there'd be no advertisers and no revenue! It's not a dirty business, it's just how things work.
I've known people who have written great reviews or cultural pieces that ended up being published in tourism magazines or airline magazines or whatever. It doesn't mean it's not written by people who love culture, it's just the venue for getting paid for writing about what you love. I have a few of those magazines around because of the pieces I really like, but it only marginally influences what airline I use, or what hotel I stay in.
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:19 (eight years ago) link
imo it's prudent for the "sponsor" as it were to give the writers a free hand, and for the actual store stockists to read their own magazine because it's like in-house market research!
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
Leigh's list of ethical concerns somehow left out her working as a game consultant while working as a journalist.
I'm saying I understand the suspicions I just get tired of constantly defending it. Esp when ppl who claim they want journalism never seem to have more proof than "well gee sure seems fishy." Either I'm an sjw operative or corporate stooge, every thing I wrote is out there you decide.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
I think a company selling games is a lot less suspicious than, I dunno, a company making games? Regardless of who advertises in GI, the parent company doesn't really give a shit which game sells, as long as some game does
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
tbh i dont give a crap about ethics in video game journalism. it is a job, people get paid to write about products. they are associated w the game creators because that is professional, that is networking. what people think is "collision" is good communication.
there is a strong anti-company movement that is alongside the anti-journalism one. people hate the companies themselves. they hate valve, ea, ubisoft, etc. they spent all year trashing konami. "DLC" and "MICROTRANSACTIONS" are talking points known to render people incapable of anything outside of primal consumerist babble. i dont know why there is all this distrust.
i dont really want anything out of video game journalism other than fresh takes on the material itself. i could do w less corporate drama. less social media gaffes. more like a film critic, looking at framing, staging, themes, motifs, etc. the drama gets really hyped these days and it ends up as fuel for the haters.
i apologize to upper mississippi if i seem disrespectful. i don't know who you are or what site you write for. i will always want to read new stuff.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 06:40 (eight years ago) link
Thanks. I'm overly sensitive being that I found a Gamergate hit piece on me online. Thing is too guys there was more death threats (not to me personally) than you know. One major outlet had their families doxxed but no one reported on it. My wife was very happy when I quit game journalism. It's a toxic environment now.But on the whole I tried to do the best I could and I believe that to be true of our competitors. There's no big conspiracy. It's just a bunch of companies throwing shit at the wall and trying to see what sticks and no one really knows what they are doing.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link
at least that gamergate don't like you is something that kinda resounds to yr favor?
― thwomp (thomp), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm sure having the moral high ground feels great when you and your family are getting killed by the swat team
― polyphonic, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
You couldn't ask for a better name for a Gamergate site than Reaxxion.
― jmm, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/25/best-boycott-ever-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-more-popular-than-ever/
An import site has been hyping the non-western release of a Japanese game not planned for US release as evidence of SJW censorship.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
Play-Asia.com @playasia#DOAX3 will not be coming to the US due to #SJW nonsense. However, we will have the English Asia version available: http://par.bz/87f 9:34 PM - 24 Nov 2015
https://twitter.com/playasia/status/669498158573981697/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Of course there are no such boycotts and this is the first anyone has even thought of this game. Funny that we now have Spite Marketing.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
http://twitter.com/pkollar/status/670563466428751873
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 November 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link
today I learned that a "boob slider" is a thing
― the fiest p (onimo), Sunday, 29 November 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
least legal white castle promotion ever
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPqQ3xWoAUf9UV.png:large
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/23/why-im-winning/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
not gonna click on beetbort today but i am assuming he is using the charlie sheen version of "winning"
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
I didn't read the article either tbh
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
woofhttps://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status/684917563747258369scroll up for the whole story there
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link
huh - interesting
― Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link
She makes a good point! it's only good business that she gets pilloried.
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link
definitely. such a weird situation. i sort of knew about the whole internet MRA personality industry, but didn't connect the dots the way she does there.
― Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:31 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTufg1GvR4
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
i love how she tried using the camera to look at dudes butts and it wouldn't let her
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link
"STRATEGIC BUTT COVERINGS"i never stop being astonished that sarkeesian has made her bones on the most astonishingly obvious pointsi also never stop being astonished that people think there's any reasonable way to argue her astonishingly obvious pointsit is a mystery
― from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:45 (eight years ago) link
otm this is something that has always puzzled me as well. i initially thought her first vid was a bust BC it seemed too thin but from the backlash against her it would seem she is something of a revolutionary thinker for bothering to state facts in evidence
― art, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
look at all these examples of blatant sexism in popular media*shows examples of blatant sexism but doesn't leave comments on*truth in journalism gnash gnash gonna SWAT you i am so easily shook
― from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link
maybe she should start cursing constantly and screaming in her videos, that seems to make them better
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link
I thought the entire point behind what Sarkeesian was doing WAS that it was all super-obvious low-hanging fruit that is taken as the baseline mainstream threshold of gaming and shouldn't be.
― its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:06 (eight years ago) link
It is! But it's been basically the same video/backlash cycle now for over a year and it's shocking that the same shibboleths still get a rise out of the trolls.
― from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:52 (eight years ago) link
yeah you would think these kids had a better grasp of basic feminist theory
― No stage school training, natural talent and attitude by the shed (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link
99% of the time it's just basic common sense
― from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link
common sense needs to be pointed out too
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:30 (eight years ago) link
society is in
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:30 (eight years ago) link
difficult to get a man to understand something when his sociopathic power fantasies depend on his not understanding it iirc
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:32 (eight years ago) link
https://blog.twitter.com/2016/announcing-the-twitter-trust-safety-council
anita sarkeesian has been named to some sort of "twitter safety council" and they are mad
― goole, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/697137171350876161
The internet is making me go "uh" a lot more than usual this week
― its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
barely sublimated eroticism in that commentary
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
that guy is one of the most abjectly pitiful regular participants of the Gamergate hashtag
I mean that bio, christ
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link
sweet dali painting tho
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:00 (eight years ago) link
this is the person who runs the scholarship fund for white men that milo founded:
https://twitter.com/MargaretsBelly/status/697148365285564418
still about the same stuff then
― goole, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link
"first made the news as the world's premier bellydancer with an ostomy"
cooooool
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
gone home console edition is 89 on metacritic, 4.9 user score. quick scan of the negative reviews, every. single. one. mentions sjws. there should be a meninist filter on user scores on MC.
― Worth Taking from Little Kid (Will M.), Wednesday, 24 February 2016 23:59 (eight years ago) link
Suprised the manbabies havent ganged up to game the scores somehow. Seems like the kind of shit they'd pull.
― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Thursday, 25 February 2016 02:10 (eight years ago) link
That's... not true, though? Over half of them just seem to have a stunted idea of what a game should be.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/gone-home-console-edition/user-reviews
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 25 February 2016 06:58 (eight years ago) link
Pretentious, vapid, fluff of a walking simulator. Overpriced at any price. Spoiler: your character is a lesbian. Who cares? There are no weapons, power ups, villians, challenges, or reason to play
spoiler: your character is not a lesbian
― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 February 2016 13:31 (eight years ago) link