Marvel's Jessica Jones

and all the stupid-ass lawyers are always like haha we really got bishop this time and i yell at the screen bitch you WORK for him. who the hell do you think pays for that zillion dollar apartment of yours? he really deserves better council.

Just at the end of ep 11

damn, this show (AKA 1000 Cuts was some next-level OMG shit)

i have 1 episode left

this shit is bananas
b a n a n a s

Just at the end of ep 11

damn, this show (AKA 1000 Cuts was some next-level OMG shit)

Yeah that bit was mad.

Finished this off in a big 4-episode sesh the other night. Won't spoil things, but my assessment overall is pretty similar to WillamC's upthread (albeit that I don't share most of his knowledge of recent MCU stuff) - so yes it isn't perfect, there's moments of clunky dialogue and miss-steps in plot development sprinkled right through, but overall it's far and away one of the most gripping things I've seen this year. Great characters and performances throughout too.

Full disclosure - I've not read the comic book, and as above am not super-familiar with recent Marvel comics generally or the adaptations thereof. Basically I only started watching this because of Netflix screaming at me 'NEW EPISODES OF JESSICA JONES! JESSICA JONES TRENDING! YOU WILL WATCH JESSICA JONES NOW!' every time I logged in. But with most other shows I've tried out recently because of Netflix promotion, I've ended up shrugging and giving up after a few episodes, so it was really nice surprise to find something that was better than I was expecting, rather than worse.

Should I watch Daredevil y/n?

yyyyyyy

Well I guess that settles it then ;)

:D

Just watched the first 2 episodes -- I'm having trouble accepting David Tennant as a super villain, because I keep associating him with that cheery "Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins" voice from Dr. Who and Broadchurch, and I laugh at the thought of his victims saying things like, "I will read the newsie-wewsies now." and "Blood sausage IS DELICIOUS!!"

he gets more ott and creepy as it goes on

i finished the final ep last night
O_O

Yeah Tennant's whole performance is basically "you know the 10th Doctor in real life would be a terrifying nightmare garbage person, right"

When she hears him calling someone a "ginger twat" over the phone was where i realised he was a rum bugger.

Ive watched 9 eps in the last 2 days: this is prob the best thing Marvel Studios has done up to this point. I really enjoy how in tone and execution, it resembles a TV-MA season of Veronica Mars as much as it does Daredevil

Yeah Tennant's whole performance is basically "you know the 10th Doctor in real life would be a terrifying nightmare garbage person, right"

― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, December 10, 2015 4:25 PM (2 weeks ago)

I watched the rest of it with this post at the front of my mind.

What's your verdict?

it made the show more interesting! I liked it anyway, but it really made me question why his character did what he did, considering his powers

in the comics from what i gather he does occasionally have more ambitious schemes. here he was constantly concerned about minimizing his exposure, which makes sense as the limited range of his powers means he wouldn't necessarily be that difficult to take out or contain once the danger he represented was known. his lack of imagination made sense w/ his character for me also, that ultimately the limit of his desires would just be nice places to stay, nice clothes, good food, women. it's all the negative traits a rich brat might pick up - laziness and lack of empathy esp - w/o any of the positive traits a rich brat might have absorbed - sophistication, culture, class, noblesse oblige - nor the aspirations toward these things that a nouveaux riche might possess (cf kingpin in daredevil). the show made him more interesting and sympathetic than the comic also, his pathology is what you might expect from a kid who could always get what he wanted and a grew up into an easily bored man that could never trust anyone nor ever need to trust anyone.

this was fun to watch, because as noted a few posts up, this is basically Veronica Mars starring Gia Goodman.

Thanks to Veg for giving the seal of approval on Daredevil. Eight episodes in and this is excellent.
Of all the cultural things for me to get a buzz off of at this stage in my life, I really wouldn't expected comic-book adaptations to be one of them - but here we are.

After 50 years, the MU is a notebook jammed full of iconic characters and heroes' journeys and weird inversions of heroes' journeys and interesting plotlines -- costumes and powers are almost beside the point. Certainly not everybody feeding Marvel their dollars is viewing through the vaseline-smeared lens of nostalgia, so they must be doing something right from the standpoint of basic storytelling.

After 50 years, the MU is a notebook jammed full of iconic characters and heroes' journeys and weird inversions of heroes' journeys and interesting plotlines

Oh for sure, I'm not doubting this for a second. Reading my post back, it probably comes across as patronising, as if I'm sneering at long-term MU devotees, but that's not where I'm coming from - more just flagging up that this is a slightly out-of-character thing for me to be into.
The richness of the storytelling is a huge part of what I'm enjoying in both shows, so it's heartening to know that they're just the tip of the iceberg in that regard.

No worries, I didn't read any patronizing in yr post. I'm just tickled, as a Marvel Zombie going back to the early 70s, that the decades of accumulated characters and stories in the print universe is being mined carefully and reasonably successfully for the cinematic universe.

Just started, sooooooo much better than Daredevil. Didn't think that Ritter could pull the grit to do something like this, but she's been pretty damn great.

First episode is kind of inert, but it picks up really quickly, i.e. when Trish starts punching people.

I'm sad this wasn't renewed as quickly as DD was.

it'd be cool if they did some cross-over episodes, like the arrow/flash collabos

they're doing an entire crossover series

eventually

i'm sure it will be renewed; netflix renews EVERYTHING and this got crazy good press for them. i think w/ daredevil it was a case of a huge runaway success that probably caught them off guard (i'm guessing that's the show they claim got more viewers than game of thrones), and they wanted to reassure ppl it wouldn't be three years until season 2.

Incredible show. Among other things I've never seen the real-life implications of a superpower (Kilgrave's) unpacked so thoroughly: his manipulation and self-justification; his victims' trauma and guilt. As Emily Nussbaum wrote: "Much of the reason that their dynamic works is because of Tennant’s sly and layered performance, which suggests a grotesque innocence beneath Kilgrave’s sadism, a distorted belief that this is true romance." He's the ultimate friendzone creep.

I'm also not sure I've ever seen a TV show which accomplishes diversity with less fuss. No white male heroes at all. PoC and gay women in key roles that aren't identity-dependent. Passes the Bechdel test so regularly that it doesn't even seem to be thinking about it. Nothing contrived or didactic. And the show's strengths flow from that diversity.

I do think Tennant is amazing in this - and I had my doubts beforehand, regarding him as a bit of a ham.

(btw I'm 4 eps into Daredevil and yeah, really enjoying that too)

I'm also not sure I've ever seen a TV show which accomplishes diversity with less fuss. No white male heroes at all. PoC and gay women in key roles that aren't identity-dependent. Passes the Bechdel test so regularly that it doesn't even seem to be thinking about it. Nothing contrived or didactic. And the show's strengths flow from that diversity.

One of the big things that immediately struck me about JJ is that it was created and exec-produced by a woman. It approaches things so freshly that is making this show incredibly novel and gripping, in part by upending archetypal expectations. Hogarth is an amazing character, I'm loving her to death.

Also just found out who Simpson is supposed to be. The creators went kinda deep for him!

the ease of its diversity and all the other refreshing aspects make me extra frustrated that it was so sluggishly paced and indifferently directed tbh

I hope they swap directors w/ Daredevil for their next seasons

JJ was everything I hoped Daredevil would be. With the latter, I always struggled to find the motivation to watch another episode (gave up 3 or 4 eps before the end).

I reckon that the Daredevil team will have to up their game after JJ because it exists in the same corner of the MCU and they're playing in different leagues. Contrast the best-friend roles of Trish and Foggy and it's embarrassing for DD. A lot of shows now seem to have major upticks in their second season so it's possible.

Tennant's petulant exasperation and whiny entitlement is fantastic and nothing like the more stereotypically evil comic version. He's not a supervillain, he's just a dick who uses his powers to have an easy life.

Agree with everything Leee said.

DD had one great character, a couple of solid ones and a string of duds. JJ has the reverse.

Foggy's always been kind of a schlub in the comics and Trish is based on a character that became an actual superhero, so I wouldn't be surprised to see their respective arcs remain basically the same in subsequent seasons.

If a major subplot of JJ season 2 involves Trish opening up a temp agency for superpowered people who aren't trying to be vigilante heroes, this will be my favorite show of all time.

Hellcats for Hire

I know what Foggy's like in the comics but the scenes between him and Karen in DD are death. Bad comic acting and horrible dialogue. He can be a schlub but he doesn't have to be such a drag. Trish is different enough from Carol Danvers that it's more about the writing on the shows than the existing back stories. No excuses basically.

I would never recommend DD to someone with no interest in superheroes but JJ has been wowing Marvel-agnostic friends.

(Psst...although she's standing in for Carol Danvers' role in Alias, Trish is Patsy Walker AKA Hellcat.)

The scene where Foggy and Karen go out drinking together because she's afraid to go home was really sweet, I thought.

xp Gah, you're right, I forgot Hellcat's real name. Spotted Nuke though.

there are a few articles explaining how Patsy Walker, which was an actual long-running comic, got pulled into the Marvel universe as a superhero

really enjoyed that being integrated into the show as Patsy being a child television star

sorry, Trish :)

Patsy Walker is, I think, the MCU character who's existed the longest aside from the golden age-era Captain America characters.

Future Mad Magazine cartoonist and "Fold-In" creator Al Jaffee wrote and drew most of the early issues, several of which included Mad founding editor Harvey Kurtzman's highly stylized "Hey Look!" one-page humor strips.

If nothing else, this has led me to find out Al Jaffee is still around and drawing fold-ins.

btw for those unaware, I was describing the setup for the new Hellcat solo title upthread