Star Wars 7 Spoilers Thread: This SPOIL bath is going to feel so good.

i mean i don't know if it was perfect
but it FELT like a star wars movie, and that's something the last ones never did for one second
i'm happy

This is the first movie in a long time (like decades) that I sat during the credits and wanted to watch again immediately.

I laughed! A lot!

About half an hour in I remember thinking "should I be laughing this much?"

Also... should I be crying this much?

Anyway, my hunch is that if VII is the Han movie, then maybe VIII is the Luke movie and IX is the Leia movie - not least since we've got a female protagonist on our hands.

Sad that the returning characters failed to really adjust to life after wartime, but Han returning to smuggling was a good setup for hijinks

http://io9.gizmodo.com/an-exclusive-look-at-the-never-before-seen-concept-art-1748716406

you have Luke at the end on an island in an ocean.

robot skeleton hand all reaching up to remove his hood.

whole lot of force visions when Rey initially touches the lightsaber, including stuff not in this film!

it was a good misdirection to throw some of those in the trailer

ending i was thinking 'wizard of earthsea' hoping luke would reveal himself as ogion after his long meaningful stare with rey

I realized what bothered me about Snoke is that he's Voldemort.

that was my biggest complaint, the big CGI dude was way too Lord of the Rings for Star Wars

Somebody suggested that maybe that's a false face or illusion. I'll hold onto that hope for now.

I really liked that he was so out of scale to Ren and Hux. Brings to mind the Wizard of Oz.

And I actually hope they get somebody else to "help" John Williams with the score for the next two - I barely registered any of the new character themes and the familiar stuff was used in ways that were a little too familiar to really add to the excitement. Basically the music felt even more mailed in than the scene where they concoct their battle plan for blowing up the base.

Seemd like the audience I watched it with last night saw Han's death coming a mile off. As soon as he and Chewie split up people were like "oh no"

Oh yeah, I knew one of them was going to get it at that point.

going off on your own in an enemy fortress where your fallen-to-dark-side kid is lurking around is trouble

I think in the last twelve hours I've gone from "man that Snoke was kind of a vague bad guy stand-in" to "who the hell is this guy and what is his deal, I really want to know"

just sent this mega-spoiler to a friend:

they reveal the secret of how Darth Vader used the toilet
that is all that survived other than his helmet, the toilet apparatus

guys, the scene where Finn gives BB-8 a thumbs-up and the droid flicks out his little lighter thing

the dumb thing is that he's gonna obviously at least be really small irl like the whole "oz great and terrible" thing which is pretty clunky.

but honestly i'm nitpicking! i loved it. great ship battles, some genuine moments w/han and leia. chewy was great.

one thing i liked and maybe this is my own weird thing but i really liked the casting for finn and poe, both those guys have "70s faces" to me in some way i can't explain but they look like 70s actors to me which added to the vibe

i have no idea why i think that

so did Captain Phasma make it off the planet or was that the shortest appearance for a cool-looking character since Boba Fett

"I can tell you that in this film, she is a Boba Fett-style character, so she’s not at the forefront of the action but she certainly packs a punch."

And I actually hope they get somebody else to "help" John Williams with the score for the next two - I barely registered any of the new character themes and the familiar stuff was used in ways that were a little too familiar to really add to the excitement.

Mostly I agree, but the tune playing during the final island scene, the one with fast-paced violins that sounded like a Celtic folk melody, that was really nice! They repeated it during the credits too. But yeah, that was pretty much the only memorable new composition in the movie.

I liked the pirate hideout music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ke-_nKHpDs

I knew it sounded familiar!

Nah, it was alright. Maz's place had a cool vibe. I could have hung out there a lot longer.

When Rey started hearing the voices though, I thought she was going to stumble onto some torture chamber for children. Like some Temple of Doom shit. I was real creeped out.

I didn't think of it at the time, but isn't that the lightsaber Anakin slaughtered a bunch of children with? :(

So much greatness.

-Rey sliding down that sand due.

― how's life, Friday, December 18, 2015 4:02 PM (3 hours ago)

That whole Rey scene was amazing although slightly spoilered by the trailers. Would have been incredible to see that downed Star Destroyer and X-Wing for the first time during the movie.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/77/dc/0b/77dc0b990fbcc479c6b1048db1ae789d.jpg

The pirate base space reggae tune was okay in itself, but I didn't like hearing it in the movie for the same reason I hated that stupid ska punk number they added to Return of the Jedi: these movies are supposed to take place in a different galaxy and a different time than ours, everything's supposed to be alien to us! So hearing some contemporary pop music totally breaks the immersion and reminds me this is just a movie! That's why "Jub Nub" is my favourite piece of SW music (and its removal from the special edition a blasphemy), I could totally imagine real aliens jamming to that.

ska punk?

that's one haunted-ass ska punk lightsaber

Sorry, I'm not sure why I said ska punk, I meant this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzZOgLH4KU

That one's the goddamn worst, but I thought the reggae-ish stuff in Maz's bar was pretty low-key.

oh, we knew which song you meant

I thought the decision to make Kylo an inexperienced, brooding youth that makes strategical mistakes was a wise move. We didn't need another impenetrable villain, First Order is still kind of a new splinter group that's rough around the edges. and they prey on the young. it fits.

I do feel like Carrie Fisher brought things to a screeching halt. the botox robs her of any facial expression, and the "we couldn't have saved him" bit was very forced, ie conflict-by-numbers. I really felt like the movie was at its best in the first hour or so.

I saw this twice in the theatre, and grew from "ok" to "good" on second viewing. I feel like the ease of destroying nu-death star kinda had to happen, I mean if they made it this really uber difficult task then everybody would say "oh it's ep IV again". they're a fledgling terrorist group, not the omnipotent empire. at times they suck dick at what they do.

I did want more of Poe Dameron. the end scene with Luke was chilling. but there is a 30 minute period of wheel-spinning that I can't get past in this movie, yet I can't help but wonder if that's just because it was planting seeds for the other sequels which now will be far better.

also, I liked the laughs that were similar in tone to the original series, but you can totally tell which humor is Abrams humor, in that it makes your eyes roll. The Finn saying "I am a member of the Resistance, this is what we look like" bit were all a bit too goofy for me.

also kind of a dull gripe but I know in the o.g. STar Wars universe there was a lot more slang/intra-universe jargon thrown around, and the English was more direct and school-proper for most people except smugglers like Han, whereas here everybody kinda just talks like millenials (Finn saying he had a "real messed up day"). but it was much better dialogue than the garbage Lucas writes so....

hey it was good enough but it relies way too much on what came before it - the fan services weren't too bad, but occasionally too much.

I hope nobody gets the idea to do an in-between-quel film about "how Kylo went to the dark side" after the two follow-ups are done.

wish I'd liked it more, but face it, Mad Max was my Star Wars

also, had the force been used to read minds in the OG series? (it's been almost ten years since I watched).

I know Darth and Luke communicated telepathically for brief moments but that is all I currently remember.

This was better than Return of the Jedi. Which kind of amazes me.

much better dialogue than the garbage Lucas writes so

Actually I kind of missed a little bit of the old Lucas style - not the pure unadulterated stuff from the prequels, but it makes me a little sad that nothing in this movie approached "I was going to Tosche station to pick up some power converters!" in world-building goofiness

Simon Pegg's character was actually the most disappointing in this vein - he just stares at spaceship parts and pronounces them worth various fractions of portions! Such a missed opportunity.

yeah the world-jargon I definitely missed, but stuff like "only a Sith deals in absolutes" I was glad to be rid of.

they're a fledgling terrorist group, not the omnipotent empire.

They felt pretty established to me, and the amount of manpower and resources required to build and run the Death Planet suggests they are really big too. Not Empire-level big, but certainly not "fledgling".

also, had the force been used to read minds in the OG series?

Yes, in RotJ Vader reads Luke's mind and finds out he has a sister.

Awesome

http://io9.gizmodo.com/oh-so-thats-who-daniel-craig-played-in-the-force-awake-1748678355

They felt pretty established to me, and the amount of manpower and resources required to build and run the Death Planet suggests they are really big too. Not Empire-level big, but certainly not "fledgling".

yep. if there's a "resistance" then whoever it is they're resisting we can assume is fairly well established

also, curious why ben solo isn't questioning giant gollum a little more since some untrained desert planet scrapper bests him repeatedly in force offs

his training... is not complete