Beer in the new era

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"A bottle of reg ... "

Found an '08 BCBS at a cellar sale:

http://i.imgur.com/gie1jEp.jpg

Probably right in the cusp of drinkable, if even.

On the cusp.

had 12-13-14-15 BCS tonight plus 2015 prop and night stalker, my tongue was pretty much dead after the first 3, but it was fun

that 1349 black ale in the pic is good

pretty sure '08 bcbs is dead now

I have bottles back to '09. Need to find a reason to drink them soon.

Dead how? I know they say "up to 5 years," but there are several stouts that basically tout they can be stored indefinitely. Like Bell's Expedition, which some (and more importantly, Bell's) say can be stored more or less indefinitely. What's the dif. between storing one high ABV stout and another? Is Goose Island just covering their butts with the "up the 5 years" instruction?

All depends on how the oxidation has affected it. Bad oxidation and you start to get something that taste like Bourbon Country Cardboard. I did a 10 year vertical last year from '05 to '14. '07 was the worst of that bunch, '12 was the best. '05/'06 were slightly better than '07, but paled in comparison to '12 to '14. It's all subjective, of course. Some beers move towards a sherry flavor from oxidation.

Also it could have been how those older ones have been stored, that's a huge wild card. If a beer is 10 years old, unless you've had it in your possession for that entire time, you never know how many times it's been exposed to light/heat.

I think the "up to 5 years" is a better safe than sorry recommendation. It can be good after that, but the chances that it has fallen off are higher.

agree w/all that. i did a similar vert two years ago and if '08 goes the same way '05 and '06 did back then it's definitely in the danger zone. i didn't find that anything i would call "good" was happening to bourbon county after about the 3-4 year range.

At the same time, isn't there some variation in the formula from year to year? I can't imagine the '08, fresh, tasted the same as the '15, fresh. Or maybe it did!

i don't think the base bcbs recipe has changed ever

I have bottles back to '09. Need to find a reason to drink them soon.

I let a $90 bottle of red wine go past its prime waiting for a "special occasion" so now I've dialed back my "special" threshold. I also should have stored it better, but still.

http://www.mashtunjournal.org/2015/12/what-its-worth-rare-bourbon-county-stout/

Hmmm, so if I can get it without the box I will get a 68% discount?

Barrel $0.59
Barley/Hops $0.49

So that analysis is saying that "ghost whale" 35 year old Heaven Hill barrels that HH didn't know existed is worth the same as the grain bill that went into the base beer? Haha... sorry, but that's a pretty goofy guesstimate. Thanks for the bloggin'.

Same guys who wrote that had a bottle of Rare for sale in their store listed at $120.

At the beer temple?

Maria's

I should say, the guy who posted the article, Ed Marz.

Right! Got it. I know BT was charging pretty much MSRP.

Weirdo beers tonight. The Stone/Sierra NxS, gin/bourbon/rye barrel aged dry hopped IPA. I just got a lot of gin flavor from it, didn't hate it. And Founders Project Pam, maple syrup barrel aged black IPA. I just don't know. I think we've spent too much time in the lab with these.

I considered Project Pam when I was at the store and struck out on getting any Darkness. Glad I skipped it.

So has anyone met a certified cicerone? is that one of the dumbest professional certs ever or is it legit, like does it get people jobs?

I think I would like to become a blind test expert in distinguishing between piss lager beers all over the world. Pour Sapporo, Tsingtao, OB, Singha, Tiger, Carlsberg, Heineken, Grolsch, Budweiser, National Bohemian, Yuengling, Grain Belt, Coors Banquet, PBR, Rolling Rock, Lone Star, Milwaukee's Best and Narragansett into identical glasses. I will be able to correctly name each one with complete accuracy. This is going to take a lot of practice.

I am looking forward to trying some of these this summer:

http://www.koreacraftbrewery.com/beer

I mean look at the labels this is clearly an excellent source of amazing beverages

Everyone at my local bar has at least the certified beer server level, with one at the certified cicerone level. They are certainly knowledgable and the owner sees it as a selling point that all the servers have certification. The Cicerone office is based out of Chicago, so we do have quite a few of them, including 3 out of the 11 that have achieved the master level.

So I guess it's worth it if you find a place that cares about it.

If I come back from Seoul without having had one of these then I will be making the face on the label
http://www.koreacraftbrewery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/brat_03.jpg

I know a cicerone too, he used to work for Two Brothers.

First two beers tonight: Westvleteren 8 and BCBCS. Good start.

i hate having to drive on holidays.

Rumors that BCBCS 15 is infected. I only got one bottle and shared it (no signs of infection)... but the draft pour I had was really viscous and smooth, I believe CAD called it "milkshake" like or frappe-like upthread? Not sure if mouthfeel is affected by young infection or not.

Port City Tidings is not as delicious as I remember it from years past.
I may just be getting over spiced belgian stuff, too.

I only had one bottle of BCBCS and it was delicious.

drank my only bottle last night. didn't seem as rich as the draft pour but similar flavor.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/423/50570/

Tried this and liked it, although not as much as beer advocate dot com. Slightly too boozy for a farmhouse ale imo, but I'll take that over not boozy enough.

found a secret stash and i picked up five bottles of BCBS in L.A. at $11.99 a pop, plus a bottle of the Barleywine for $13.49. they said they were sold out of it, but it looks like someone decided to hide a bottle and i happened to come across it.

Nice, keep a couple in a cool, dark place and open them in 2-3 years.

Is there a wheat beer revival in the hipster circles yet, why is there no good wheat beer in the western USA, smh

Also, destroy "sour" beer. Ugfh.

nah (some) sour beer is good.

I wonder if the North Coast Blue Star Wheat Beer is good. I remember liking their Pranqster Belgian Ale, but it's been a while since I've had it.

This barrel aged Racer 5 is... Intense

I feel like I should be wearing a baggy hat, waving a wand around

found a secret stash and i picked up five bottles of BCBS in L.A.

Which store?

BevMo in pasadena, the one on arroyo just north of the 110. Went there because their online stock said they had 55(!) bottle. If you go you may have to ask someone, the dude stocking shelves who hooked me up told me they had more in the back but no one knows about it, they're kinda keeping it on the low. Also the bevmo in west L.A. near Santa Monica and sepulveda had a few bottles last time I checked online.

Tank 7 rules imho

My first beer of 2016 is a mikkeller keeper pils that was just hangin' out in the fridge
Could have done better but we'll be ok

1 year old Enjoy After 12/26 was pretty boring. Far too foamy despite best efforts.

I do like Tank 7. Also had this year's Founders Mosaic Promise which was fantastic, better than the last.