I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

I hope there was loads of chicken guts on that glove.

why does Carly Fiorina think she can be President

money and power make a person delusional

Jeb Spends $2,884 Per Iowa Vote

http://www.weeklystandard.com/jeb-spends-2884-per-iowa-vote/article/2000869

Hillary should use something from Tusk for her theme song. "I Know I'm Not Wrong" maybe.

or "Not That Funny"

nah

"What Makes You Think You're the One" or "Save Me A Place"

Jeb Spends $2,884 Per Iowa Vote

Was wondering earlier how many election cycles it's going to take for all these bajillionaire Super-PAC funders to realize that politicians are an absolutely terrible investment

their ROI would be the same if they just put all their money in a pile and set fire to it

He's just not as motivated as he was when it was his own campaign

seemed p motivated when trashing Obama eight years ago

oh is that where you learned it from

billionaires spend very little money on politics in the grand scheme of things. ads themselves are often the terrible investment for politicans, esp ones everyone already knows - but why not throw a couple million dollars at jeb bush if it's pocket change to you? you might get to visit the white house.

idk they seem pretty unhappy with what they're getting from Jeb, for example. Unhappy enough to complain to the press.

yeah it's like yelp reviews for them though

i wonder if de blasio's presence is what pushed clinton over the finish line in iowa?!

“We are fine with him here, but we would have been fine without him being here,” a grateful Clinton campaign source told the Wall Street Journal.

why would Iowans care about De Blasio?

On Sunday afternoon, Judy Sherman, a 69-year-old retired Iowa voter, opened the door to Mr. de Blasio before quickly closing it.

“I like your shirt, though,” Mr. de Blasio said as Ms. Sherman, wearing a University of Iowa T-shirt, closed the door on him.

Ms. Sherman later told reporters “I did not know and I did not care” that he was mayor of New York. She said she was tired of political ads and didn’t plan to vote for Mrs. Clinton so she had nothing to talk to the mayor about.

i'm pretty sure this is self aware? but

https://twitter.com/andylevy/status/694359519867080706
have trump supporters starting calling it the iowa cuckus yet
9:19 PM - 1 Feb 2016

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/694366969265573888
Iowa cuckus, more like
9:49 PM - 1 Feb 2016

oh is that where you learned it from

yeah we have the same objections to O, you know me like a book

(also i voted for BHO in the NY primary in '08 to my everlasting shame)

you can type "Obama" and remain pure

xxxpost when I lived in Iowa City there were tons of people from NYC there constantly complaining that they couldn't find good bagels or sushi. It was not a good look.

i am not interested in being pure or even being able to fake it.

you know me like a book

not hard, every page is the same

you know me like Klaus.

burn after reading *clink*

like a blank condolences book for you to fill with posthumous diatribes

@basedmattforney
My analysis of Microsoft sabotaging the Iowa GOP vote is now up at @ReturnOfKings: returnofkings.com/79354/did-micr… #MicrosoftRubioFraud

oic

i have to admit i was hoping the shitlords would not take this quietly, that's the stuff

lollllll

at least go with #RubioOnRails or something

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-is-the-most-dangerous-man-in-the-world-a-1075060.html

more debates in pipeline?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/02/02/the-battle-between-clinton-and-sanders-is-about-to-get-a-lot-more-intense/

http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-950078-thumbflex-qiov-950078.jpg

oh the Clintonians are gonna bring out more brass knuckles than in '08, i have no doubt

the subheadings from that spiegel article:

Trump Wants A Ruthless America
Desire for a Strong Man at the Top
No Longer the Laughing Stock
Fascist Characteristics
Inflaming Tensions
'It's a Miracle Trump Didn't Invent the Selfie'
The Dark Side of Trump's Narcissism
A Core Element of Racism
Goading and Ridicule
What To Expect from a President Trump
An Odd Worldview
Is There any Stopping Trump?
Is the Tide Turning in Trump's Favor?
Tackling Clinton
A Threat to World Peace

maybe CO? lots of college stoner types, but a lot of libertarian streaks in the state.

― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:34 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also a ton of Latinos, a group Clinton leads by something like 20-30 points depending on the poll. Based on this, I'd actually be pretty surprised for Sanders to win Colorado. 20% of the total population is Hispanic, and I'd guess that percentage is higher for Democratic primary voters.

clinton is not going to continue to hold anything near that sort of led in those demographics, although the head start she's got is going to be difficult to overcome

Sanders' deficit with minority voters is gonna hurt him a lot in crucial states where these are a significant chunk of Dem primary voters - SC, NV, CO, etc. So even if he splits the white vote 50/50 with Hillary, he loses.

@k3vin k I think the race will tighten a little, but I honestly don't see Sanders taking large chunks of Hillary's support among African-Americans and Latinos. I don't think his campaign and his messaging are built for that.

Also, re: my original post, there are obviously college stoners of all races, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just wanted to make the point that Colorado isn't all white ski bums and hippies who work in Boulder hemp shops.

Restorative justice and emancipation for marginalized groups can and should accompany redistributive and universalist economic agendas. If Bernie can't manage to incorporate specific civil rights issues into his platform then he's more of an ideologue than I would've guessed.

xp

For example, this poll from a couple of weeks ago shows that African Americans and Latinos are the one area where Clinton has actually been gaining strength. Now there's a lot to argue about within that poll, first and foremost the stuffing of multiple groups together under the banner African-American/Latino.

I guess my point is, if Bernie Sanders was going to make important inroads with these crucial groups in the Dem coalition, he would have already made important inroads with them. I don't see any evidence of it, and I see evidence to the contrary (the poll above, Clinton's SC polling)

xp: Sanders definitely has them as part of his platform but in the times I've seen him speak and certainly in the soundbites that are his campaign ads, he's done a terrible job of connecting them (see his total bungling of the reparations issue, which he didn't even need to come out in favor of in order to handle it better than he actually handled it).

I honestly don't think Bernie's lack of traction with minority voters is particularly issue-driven - its more a question of exposure, ground-game, media buys, outreach efforts, that kind of thing. Like, is he blanketing univision with ads and endorsements, does he have contacts with spanish-language media in the necessary markets? Clinton's got years of goodwill and exposure, Bernie's gotta make up a huge shortfall in a v short amount of time, it just isn't going to happen, no matter how many times he shows up on The Nightly Show with Killer Mike.

if Bernie Sanders was going to make important inroads with these crucial groups in the Dem coalition, he would have already made important inroads with them.

otm. he isn't gonna do this in 30 days.

i don't think a lot of people know bernie that well. not just minority voters.

i mean they know what he looks like and that he wants a revolution or whatever.

"is he the angry old white guy?"

i mean it was a long time ago but hillary was the first lady of the united states! for real.

kinda hard to believe now.

I am very interested in seeing what happens in Nevada and South Carolina as I think that's going to be an indicator of the actual level of Sanders' minority support