I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/694986391349039107

bernie starting to go in a little

are people intentionally refusing to use Lloyd Blankfein's name? I hear about Goldman Sachs constantly during political discussions but I just had to use google to find out his name

Would love to see @berniesanders unleash a series of salacious BLIND ITEMs.

i'm a bit surprised to see so many people i know approvingly sharing/liking this on facebook: http://www.pajiba.com/politics/an-allcaps-explosion-of-feelings-regarding-the-liberal-backlash-against-hillary-clinton.php

i mean, there are points in there about double standards that are obviously solid, and i'm assuming that's what people are thinking of when they share it. but those points are buried underneath stuff like:

FIRST AND FUCKING FOREMOST, COOL, YOU LIKE BERNIE'S WISHES AND DREAMS APPROACH TO POLITICS. "FREE COLLEGE FOR EVERYONE AND A GODDAMN PONY." YES, THAT SOUNDS FUCKING WONDERFUL BUT DO YOU THINK HILLARY COULD EVEN SAY THOSE WORDS WITHOUT FOX NEWS LITERALLY BURYING HER ALIVE IN TAMPONS AND CRUCIFIXES?

it's kind of funny to summarize sanders' politics as "free college for everyone and a goddamn pony" given that later on in the same rant she says the policies of clinton and sanders aren't "that fucking different". but putting that aside, does anyone really think that clinton would be advocating for free college if it weren't for the burden of being a woman? i'm pretty sure the main obstacle for clinton is that she wouldn't support free college until the idea was potentially acceptable to the establishment and she wouldn't get in trouble for saying it. that's an establishment politician problem, not a problem with gender (imo)

YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SHE PLAYS THE GAME? THAT SHE HAS TIES TO THE ESTABLISHMENT? FOR ONE THING, THAT'S HOW SHIT FUCKING GETS DONE. FOR THE OTHER THING, THE BIGGEST THING, A WOMAN DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING OPTION *NOT* TO PLAY THE GAME. NOT NOW. NOT YET. WE ALL WISH THINGS WERE DIFFERENT BUT THEY DON'T BECOME DIFFERENT WHILE WE'RE ATTACKING THE FUCKING PERSON WHO CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.

oops, i guess i'm being a berniebro (GOD i hate that phrase already and it's like a week old) because i do think of her as an establishment politician. again, i don't think that her gender is preventing her from doing things differently. i'm pretty sure it's because she is the actual, verbatim definition of "establishment" that you find in the OED. and somehow elizabeth warren has managed not to play the game, get things done, be popular, and be a woman at the same time.

I have encountered literally NOBODY who supports Sanders for sexist reasons. It's possible to hate that she has been a victim of a right-wing conspiracy while also not liking her politics!

i'm sure that there are people that support sanders because he's a man, whether that's a conscious impulse or not. and there are great points to be made about double standards. it just seems odd that THIS is the essay addressing those things that somehow went viral and contains multitudes of self-deluded bullshit that smothers the valid points.

i guess it goes w/out saying that all of these righteous all-caps YEAH HILLARY ppl screaming about berniebros and "smartness" and "pragmatism" do not give a shit about all of the women in the middle east who have died b/c of the non-smart and non-pragmatic foreign policies that their awesome cool righteous kickass role model has voted for or lobbied for over the last 15 years

^^^ this

i wish i could've voted for Shirley Chisholm (who got a stamp last week) for prez

or Barbara Jordan

or Eleanor

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Hey now that all those policies aren't popular (in retrospect), she doesn't support them. PROGRESS, YOU KNOW?

http://lolworthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bernie-sanders-socialism-scare-gif.gif

HIL WILL MAKE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME

I have encountered literally NOBODY who supports Sanders for sexist reasons

Idk man I am voting for Bernie but all those "Bernie is a true jazz intellectual, Hillary is a wide-eyed naïf who listens to Kenny G" memes scan as sexist to me

I like "blowharding" from that Jeb clip above. He could be in Clipse: "Been two years, like I was paddy wagon cruisin'/The streets was yours, you're blowhardin' and Ted Cruzin'."

http://i.imgur.com/kKNxxxx.gif

omg

wish that were seamless

Those memes are false-flag creations of Hillary's campaign.

JK

if you look to the left corner beyond the Cruzerciser, you can see Warren (Parallax) Beatty

i thought the music memes were dickish and unclever, but not sexual harassment which is a phrase that has some specific implications that should be protected.

Maybe I've been on ILX too long but the memes I saw felt like they were clowning themselves, with both Hillary and Bernie being assigned absurd words you would never actually see coming out of their mouth, like views on Radiohead. If there's a punch, it's that Bernie has elaborate nerdy positions on things and Hillary tries to say what's popular, which is, idk, kinda fair game for a political cartoon? Would 100% believe that some sharers are totally buying it in part b/c of sexism though, where it aligns with rock vs pop, masculine vs feminine, serious vs superficial.

But I also get a lot of 'Anarchists For Bernie Sanders' content so I'm used to seeing words put in his mouth where the gag is that he wouldn't say them (in that instance, to demonstrate that Bernie's not really radical because a real radical would say X).

haha yep, a lot of the "real" (lol) leftists over at, i don't know, counterpunch or something have no use for bernie

Cruz has a left side?

oh Bernie is no socialist (see OWS3 thread), and as Perrin tweeted (whoosh) you have to be a sociopath to want to be imperial manager. But y'know, fuck all the others.

Sanders activist friend on FB:

Bernie: "There's nothing wrong with being a moderate. Some of my best friends are moderates."

The memes seem particularly dumb bc Sanders' reaction to most pop culture questions is "who gives a shit why aren't you asking me about income inequality?"

YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SHE HAD CERTAIN NOW-UNACCEPTABLE POLICIES BACK IN THE '90S? HEY, I GET THAT THAT SHIT SEEMS LIKE LAST WEEK, BUT IT WAS ANOTHER GODDAMN WORLD ENTIRELY. I GET THAT WE ALL THINK WE'RE THE UNIVERSE'S BESTEST HUMANS BUT MOST OF THIS COUNTRY JUST LEARNED TRANS PEOPLE EXIST, LIKE, YESTERDAY. LET'S NOT PRETEND WE'VE ALL BEEN THE MOST INCLUSIVE PROGRESSIVE SUPER-COOL PEEPS FOR LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS NOW. PROGRESSIVE MEANS JUST THAT--PROGRESS. SHIT THAT WAS A BIG GODDAMN DEAL AT THE TIME IS NOT COOL NOW. PROGRESS. IT'S FUCKING SWELL.

lol yeah xp

can relate to the above because my dad, in the 1990s, occasionally used inaccurate and degrading language to refer to trans people, and my mom occasionally imprisoned more people than stalin

I like the argument that the worse you were in the 90s the more progressive you are now.

xpost i know right, how times change. millenials don't possess the capacity to recognize the changing of times, that's the problem basically.

Lol: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/03/donald-trump-says-ted-cruz-stole-victory-in-iowa-caucuses/

Foreshadow of things to come

Thanks, Lloyd!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/lloyd-blankfein-bernie-sanders-218689

I like the argument that the worse you were in the 90s the more progressive you are now.

― conditional random jepsen (seandalai),

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/bill_clinton_playing_videogames-2217.gif

Lol: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/03/donald-trump-says-ted-cruz-stole-victory-in-iowa-caucuses/

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 3, 2016 6:48 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feel like this could be the first step in trump's long-planned exit - blame the process, blame a conspiracy of enemies, shake head mightily, reluctantly bow out citing the impossibility against this vast machine etc. etc. but it could also just be trump being trump and he'll never quit until the last primary, who knows.

jeb please clap moment was intentionally funny idk what everyone is going on about

Trump: "I'm trying to be a little more understated and statesmanlike--some people like that, some people don't." Sounds like he's not too enthusiastic about it himself.

Idk man I am voting for Bernie but all those "Bernie is a true jazz intellectual, Hillary is a wide-eyed naïf who listens to Kenny G" memes scan as sexist to me

To me they are a repeat of the 2008 "Barack Obama is your new bicycle" / "Hillary is mom jeans" memes.

Those were based around Obama being the new hotness and Hillary being lame and basic.

🤔

For all the whining Trump's been doing today, he may have a legitimate grievance--sounds like Cruz (or "his people") knowingly told voters that Carson had dropped out when he/they knew that wasn't true.

It's so hard to choose sides when you want to see both these guys humbled and embarrassed.

That isn't electoral fraud.

Garden variety clown car dishonesty.

Maybe I've been on ILX too long but the memes I saw felt like they were clowning themselves, with both Hillary and Bernie being assigned absurd words you would never actually see coming out of their mouth, like views on Radiohead. If there's a punch, it's that Bernie has elaborate nerdy positions on things and Hillary tries to say what's popular, which is, idk, kinda fair game for a political cartoon? Would 100% believe that some sharers are totally buying it in part b/c of sexism though, where it aligns with rock vs pop, masculine vs feminine, serious vs superficial.

This was how I read them too but I may have been reading too far in.

Maybe I've been on ILX too long but the memes I saw felt like they were clowning themselves, with both Hillary and Bernie being assigned absurd words you would never actually see coming out of their mouth, like views on Radiohead. If there's a punch, it's that Bernie has elaborate nerdy positions on things and Hillary tries to say what's popular, which is, idk, kinda fair game for a political cartoon? Would 100% believe that some sharers are totally buying it in part b/c of sexism though, where it aligns with rock vs pop, masculine vs feminine, serious vs superficial.

But I also get a lot of 'Anarchists For Bernie Sanders' content so I'm used to seeing words put in his mouth where the gag is that he wouldn't say them (in that instance, to demonstrate that Bernie's not really radical because a real radical would say X).

― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

I've been wrestling with the idea of writing a think piece along these lines but I just feel like it'd be splitting hairs and inviting arguments I'm sick of even though I've mostly avoided them so far

Anytime you (and I don't just mean you, RC, I mean "all of humanity") have an idea for a think piece, write it down on a piece of paper, burn it, and move on with your life.

Trump stage-managing his exit is literally the most foreseeable thing about this entire shitshow.

(with the possible exception of the Clinton machine/MSNBC Deanscreaming Bernie for as long as it takes)

Trump definitely sabotaging himself in Arkansas tonight:

http://i.imgur.com/HKfOC1A.png

http://i.imgur.com/B4WR4MK.png

Whenever friends tout Clinton's experience, I bring up dubious past Clinton positions/votes/statements, and those same friends who support her brush the criticisms aside, saying, oh, the times have changed and she's changed with them. When I point out that like him or not Sanders hasn't been swaying in the public opinion breeze that way she has, they really have nothing to say.

By the way, I was a little surprised (but not really) to learn that Clinton is still pro death penalty. Because of course she is.

I love this clip, a real guilty pleasure. This sassy insouciant side we rarely see except in private board rooms with Goldman Sachs investors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWbYF4460g

next debate question: "Would ya kill Snowden, Hil?"

Not very ethical. Starting to suspect Morbius isn't a real doctor.

Did anyone watch the NH "town hall" thing tonight? I caught just the last five minutes of Sanders's, with the charming-personal-question stuff. I thought he came off very nicely in that. I wonder how much of the impression of him as a grumpy grouch is his policies, and how much of it is that he does not mix in the stock private-family and/or "I met a recently laid-off grandmother last week in Poughkeepsie..." feel-your-pain stuff into his stump speech. I don't want him to do the latter, to be clear - I think a lot of his power comes from how clearly he feels his critique is too urgent to waste precious television minutes on fluff. Plus man would it be weird to be on stage unfurling family anecdotes day in and day out to tens of thousands of strangers. No thanks.