I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

Interesting development:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/03/democrat-debate-flint/79775366/

Dem debate in Flint on March 6th. I'm hoping that someone is on the ball enough to schedule enough facetime or co-promotional events with the slate of Democratic candidates for all those state seats currently held by douchebag Tea a Party types currently ruining my home state. Snyder's next election isn't til the midterms.

Weird new tick I've developed: going up to random strangers and yelling "I'm sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails!" at them. They don't respond very well.

^^
I wonder if you'd have better luck with "hurry up with my damn croissants"

hillary is not doing well in this debate imo. like worse than usual

not saying that bernie is wailing on her or anything, it's more on her

nevermind, he's now wailing on her

Isn't it "whaling on her"

if anyone reads this thread later and doesn't really want to watch the debate in full, at least check out 26:00 to 32:00 (or so), starting a little bit before clinton accuses sanders of promoting an "artful smear" against her.

Didn't even know about this--they were just on CNN last night.

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i don't know, i always thought it was wailing for some reason

~ bob marley

I'd like to go back and check that first Democratic debate, where I'm pretty sure Clinton was against bringing back Glass–Steagall just because she thought it was a bad idea. Now she's against it because it's just not enough.

But Sanders still shies away.

chuck todd, for once, did a good thing: he asked clinton whether she'd release the transcripts of ALL the paid speeches she gave, not just the goldman sachs ones

(she said she'd look into it)

she said she didn't know "the status"

Clinton has tried to go on the offensive by getting defensive - but Sanders just isn't engaging directly. In a way, he's weaseling away from personal accusations he's made, but somehow Clinton isn't looking the better for it.

He's really quite sly in his own way ("let's talk about the issues"), and it must be infuriating to HRC.

his answer on various threats and settling on north korea was kinda weird

These foreign policy questions are disasters. HRC believes in the premise of Chuck Todd's questions. Sanders comes off stupid because he doesn't.

Yeah, I don't know how you're supposed to answer a "Who is more of a threat, China, Russia, or North Korea?" question. I mean, none of them are really a direct threat to the United States, which is the only world superpower.

ah excellent a long defense of the death penalty

the death penalty is barbaric and i agree with sanders on this

For his last meal, Ricky Ray Rector left the pecan pie on the side of the tray, telling the corrections officers who came to take him to the execution chamber that he was saving it "for later". The rest of the pecan pie was not disposed of until Rector had been executed.

all in the state-murder family

Death penalty is wrong on every level. Huge majority of americans support it. So of course hillary is for it.

The one level I'm not sure about is whether, in some cases, it's actually more cruel to keep somebody alive. Maybe that's how we should do it. If someone has confessed to a horrific crime and requests euthanasia, maybe we should consider that as something less cruel. I don't believe in any death penalty apart from that.

the whole being on death row for decades thing...um...they should look into that.

Josh Barro ‏@jbarro 2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
Sanders is out of his depth on foreign policy, but in fairness, there's no clear correlation between knowledge & good decision-making on FP.

can't be repeated enough

Death penalty is wrong on every level. Huge majority of americans support it. So of course hillary is for it.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, February 4, 2016 10:15 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not really a "huge" majority anymore, and it's a declining majority.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1606/death-penalty.aspx

but i don't disagree about clinton-- this is her cynicism in a nutshell.

obama doesn't opposed the death penalty either, although he's never defended it per se.

Clintons approach in this debate was supremely wrong-headed (esp in the portion Karl Malone mentions upthread), almost bafflingly so.

Also, that death penalty thing was def a weird moment of pitching to the general, not the primaries, which is at least a minor misstep.

Bernie's response re: foreign policy experience needs a little more kick:

"Dick Cheney has more experience than both of us."

@pareene
Sanders should just say "I have no foreign policy but hers is terrifying."

Never say "I was flattered when Henry Kissinger said I..." unless the end of that sentence is "finally made him pay for his crimes."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chelsea-clinton-calls-bernie-president-sanders-in-awkward-slip/ar-BBp90d5?li=BBnb7Kz

even the NYT is calling Clintssinger's performance "defensive and angry," so i guess i gotta watch this

As pure performance it was tough and focused, actually. Both acquitted themselves well as performers.

the last 45 minutes they were agreeing so often that they reminded me of Bush-Gore Debates, Round Two.

well both those posts brought me crashing down to reality, so thx

just watch the first segment (particularly around 25 to 35 minutes in). things got relatively intense there, and then they both pulled back for the rest of the debate

i wonder if Screaming Caps Gal has heard of Henry Kissinger

poll funnies!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268362-sanders-tied-with-clinton-nationwide-poll

also i heard Carly Fiorina say on Marketplace Morning that the banks wrote the Dodd-Frank bill. Why didn't you guys tell me she's OTM once in awhile?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268362-sanders-tied-with-clinton-nationwide-poll

I know national polls are suspect but holy shit....nationwide, 30 point deficit gone. Bernie down by 2.

Oops, sorry Mobius xp

yeah, i don't believe it, but i like the thought of Blankfein and Katha Pollitt both shitting themselves.

I really hit a nerve with Pollitt on Twitter the other day, she wasn't a fan of my phrase "Boomer narcissism"

I really can't address my core feelings about her bcz i don't wish to be banned from the board just before baseball season.

Jezebel's got a pretty good article about Cruz's college days.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/heres-what-happens-when-you-try-and-track-down-a-ted-cr-1752337625

lmao just came here with that

a blatant fishing expedition comes back with the goods

disappointed there was no 'shitting on the floor' story

In naked but non-sexual news, multiple classmates who asked for anonymity recounted Cruz participating in the “Nude Olympics,” a (now defunct) Princeton tradition in which members of the sophomore class got drunk and ran around campus sans clothing during the first snow of the year. According to several classmates, none of whom were firsthand witnesses, Cruz was said to have run the wrong way and was later seen naked and banging against the window of a locked dorm in an attempt to gain entrance.

Numerous as the secondhand accounts were, we were unable to confirm the nude-lockout incident. However, we did establish that the following spring, Cruz, who was a member of the Campus Safety Committee, appeared in at least five separate issues of the Daily Princetonian as a staunch opponent of the concept of locked entryways.

I just came here to post that, too! More fodder for the "absolutely no one likes Cruz" trough, but this beautiful gem really needs to be highlighted:

In naked but non-sexual news, multiple classmates who asked for anonymity recounted Cruz participating in the “Nude Olympics,” a (now defunct) Princeton tradition in which members of the sophomore class got drunk and ran around campus sans clothing during the first snow of the year. According to several classmates, none of whom were firsthand witnesses, Cruz was said to have run the wrong way and was later seen naked and banging against the window of a locked dorm in an attempt to gain entrance.

Numerous as the secondhand accounts were, we were unable to confirm the nude-lockout incident. However, we did establish that the following spring, Cruz, who was a member of the Campus Safety Committee, appeared in at least five separate issues of the Daily Princetonian as a staunch opponent of the concept of locked entryways.