I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

starting out from a more strongly liberal position, his compromises would be more palatable

otm. the optimal starting position on inauguration day is the one that's furthest to the left while still resulting in an electoral victory. Clinton has her cautious opinion on where that sweet spot might be, while Sanders is more about shooting the moon.

Chas Pierce on the Kissinger ref:

Dear Ms. HRC: There is being tone-deaf, and then there is not being able to tell the difference between the New York Philharmonic and an abbatoir.

No interest in HRC's sweet spot.

You and Bill probably share that in common.

great post, dan

lol thank you k3v, but I will admit that I initially thought you were referring to:

"the GOP slide" sounds like a particularly sad line dance

and I was thinking to myself "damn, has the bar fallen that low"

thought this was interesting from 2008:
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=D&cycle=2008&recipdetail=S&mem=Y&sortorder=U

the only sane republican I know is a hardcore Zionist and opposes Obama/Clinton/Kerry on grounds that they are 'very anti Israel" which is preposterous to me. That said she feels completely let down by everyone on the Republican side this time.

iirc sheldon adelson is bankrolling rubio's campaign

i don't think either clinton or sanders is going to radically reform the US military. without googling, who said: "I will protect America, defend our interests and values, embrace our commitments to defend freedom and human rights, and relentlessly combat terrorism."

Eugene Debs

George Lincoln Rockwell

u're both right

EV-RY-BO-DY (please) CLAP YOUR HANDS

the How of relentlessness is what i suspect will continue to be elusive until the terror of The Encroaching Extinction Event makes it yesterday's apocalypse.

(ie the 'Sandinista' mayor of NYC wants to build a trolley line to serve condos that will be on flooded territory by 2050)

YOU GOTTA JEB! CREWNECK PUT YOUR HANDS UP (please)
YOU GOTTA JEB! GUACA BOWLE PUT YOUR HANDS UP (please)

i don't think either clinton or sanders is going to radically reform the US military.

― Mordy, Friday, February 5, 2016 8:26 PM (30 minutes ago)

only one of these candidates voted to give the worst president in history a free hand to invade iraq, holds neocon-approved views on america's "role" in the world, stood well to the right of obama on basically every foreign policy crisis since 2008, and currently favors a no-fly zone in syria. i suppose this doesn't bother centrist liberals like joan walsh who've managed to turn a blind eye to drones et al for the past seven years, but i'm concerned enough about it that i would have serious qualms about voting for clinton. it's not surprising that a former secretary of state has far more foreign policy experience and can speak about it with more authority than a senator, but i'd like to hear a better defense of clinton's foreign policy than the constant assertion that her "experience" automatically trumps all.

i suppose this doesn't bother centrist liberals like joan walsh who've managed to turn a blind eye to drones et al for the past seven years

bernie says he wouldn't end the drone program

http://patriotretort.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/The-Hillary-Clinton-Experience.jpg

every president is going to relish being assassin-in-chief

xp

Ugh, sorry for photo from conservative site. Just googled "Hillary Clinton Experience."

the fact that no president will give up the option of being able to murder people with impunity was *precisely* the reason it should never have been legalized in the first place

bernie says he wouldn't end the drone program

yeah, it's why i won't send him $ or volunteer. (plus guns, Palestine, doing a bit w/ Larry David on SNL tomorrow, etc)

u are so holy

just tired and bored with bright shiny offices that don't mean much by themselves

not sure sanders saying he might use drones sparingly is quite on the same level as clinton's kissinger-approved warmongering, but i'll keep working on raising bob la follette from the dead to run in 2020

lol do u think when he got into office obama was like "use the drones casually"

i need to dig into what sanders was asked and meant by his drones answer -- not that any socialist would ever agree to weaken the people's arsenal. he's not going to get rid of the unmanned planes? or he's not going to stop making rocket attacks on pakistan, yemen, syria, lybia etc

a drone is just a plane y'all, i don't really get the fixation on them tbh. a president can illegally bomb a place w/o the robots

jewish media v excited today bc haaretz discovered the name of bernie's kibbutz

"use the drones casually"

surely there's a sign posted somewhere in the WH that says this

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71YGvAZJNnL._SY355_.jpg

It made the WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/05/the-kibbutz-bernie-sanders-stayed-in-may-have-been-revealed/

xp

btw Angela Davis turned 72 last week, i think she'd make a fine running mate for Sanders

OR resurrected La Follette

a drone is just a plane y'all, i don't really get the fixation on them tbh. a president can illegally bomb a place w/o the robots

bc we're just like, so disconnected from each other man

i'd be down with the whole both-gendered Selective Service thing as a step to the end of American wars, if it wasn't Endtimes.

"use the drones casually"

surely there's a sign posted somewhere in the WH that says this

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 5, 2016 4:44 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Speech writing department?

In an effort to solve the mystery of why Ted Cruz‘s face “revolts” him, Dr. Richard E. Cytowic, a professor of neurology at George Washington University published an analysis of the Texas senator’s facial expressions in Psychology Today on Jan. 1.

http://www.mediaite.com/weird/neurologist-analyzes-why-cruzs-strange-smile-disturbs-and-unsettles

v interesting interview here: http://www.npr.org/2012/06/06/154443665/how-the-president-decides-to-make-drone-strikes

i love that *his face just doesn't do what its supposed to do* is the medical analysis of ted cruz's face!

"use the drones casually"

surely there's a sign posted somewhere in the WH that says this

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 5, 2016 4:44 PM (7 minutes ago)

Speech writing department?

― Evan, Friday, February 5, 2016 1:53 PM (6 minutes ago)

In the planning room for his set at Big Ears?

No need for cheap name calling

https://49.media.tumblr.com/73ee637ba36791450a0da9f02f642776/tumblr_n5hd1zPUXE1qbjynwo1_500.gif

that should be Hil's line after Sanders' next "revolution" parry

lol

in a fur of course

$125 MILLLLLLION in speeches to the Arkansas Borgias

btw where does clinton's reputation as an effective deal-maker and "get-things-done" person come from? does she really have that long a list of achievements? or is it just some vague sense that having in been in politics so long (albeit unelected most of that time), she just kind of knows how it works?

to be fair, i have a ton of doubts about bernie sanders's effectiveness as a manager/leader. his politics are nearly impeccable, but he hasn't been a notably productive legislator.

whenever clinton is actually asked to name her achievements she lapses into incoherence and does unspeakable things to the english language. so color me skeptical of what appears to be her main "narrative" right now, which is that while bernie is the idealist, she's the one who can work with a republican legislature and get stuff done.

neither of their records in the senate is particularly noteworthy, hers just happens to be shorter.

and nobody's going to get anything done with Speaker Ryan's caucus, it's kind of a moot point.

i feel like 90% of the narrative of clinton's supposed effectiveness, seriousness, whatever is just a bunch of horseshit that has managed to hornswoggle even people who are repping for sanders (to differing degrees). i've been an adult, paying attention to national politics, since the second bill clinton term, and clinton is pointedly /not/ a particularly effective or achieved politician.

i mean hillary clinton.

unless you can conflate her husband's achievements (and "achievements") with her own