I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

ugh

"vicious trolling"

"And through the strength of my personal friends [....] I picked up like, I don't know, 12 or 14 points in three days. The rest is history," Clinton said.

Oh, so you understand the problem, then.

that is one ballsy euphemism

I'm actually kind of anxious watching the Clinton campaign fucking up so bad right now, going on the attack against the VOTERS and not just their candidate, you know, those same voters we hope don't stay home if Clinton gets nominated. Anxious because I assume she's still the presumptive nominee, although it's starting to look less inevitable, and if this is her strategy to win nationally -- the people who don't support me are young and dumb -- then I fear for her candidacy as well as for the likelihood of Democrats being able to mobilize young voters in general.

I wouldn't waste too much energy worrying about the Clintons' ability to campaign in the general election and I especially wouldn't worry with the current crop of opposition candidates

funny enough, i'm going to use rubio's repeating the same scripted lines three times as a bad example of extemporaneous speaking in my speech class this week

That's pretty cool - the clip below suggests* he tries again a fourth time, reworded slightly, and, it being the first time after Christie points it out, he gets booed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNRNHgi1RzU

*I didn't see the debate, I'm taking it on honour that the clips in the video are in the right order (and indeed from the same debate)

Rubio really should have prepared a second index card.

The whole exchange is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Gg6ggghoI

Keep it going to the end, it's pretty horrible.

why wd anyone watch that

Nice Lamar! shirt WJC has on in that huffpost link.

Classic ending to Frederik's clip with "Gov. Bush, I'll mention your name..."

A FB friend of mine has made 21 pro-Bernie/anti-HRC posts in the last 24 hours

that 6 minutes should finish rubio's campaign.

Of course Rubio and his manager were all over TV Sunday saying they were just "staying on message." Much like Laurence Olivier stayed on message in Marathon Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-OviftusB8

As horrible as Christie & Trump are it's super enjoyable to see them using their bullying tendencies to show up this field of chumps

^

why wd anyone watch that

dude it's really, really good

Golden Age of TV.

Christie just crushed in that clip. I really hate the fucker but that was like watching Tyson fight.

I am obv not on board with Christie's politics but he certainly is a nimble speaker in certain situations.

And it would of course be nice if that finished Rubio's campaign, but we may be reaching a time in which we can no longer say what finishes any campaigns ever.

Fortunately, entertainment centering on hideous evil creatures who won't stop going, even though they're dead, appears to be popular lately. Perhaps after the election, AMC will renew the candidates for another season. Please let the Season 2 shocker be that Santorum wasn't REALLY dead, he was just hiding under something while camouflaging his scent with Rick Perry's entrails.

I also thought it was funny how Rubio's scripted Obama points barely sounded bad -- "He knows what he's doing" "He's trying to make America more like the rest of the world"

Yeah, I was honestly confused about the point he was trying to make. Like...okay, and? Were you planning to elucidate how that's a bad thing? I guess I wasn't the intended audience, but still.

Yeah I mean even if you are the intended audience though, I feel like on a subconscious level that phrasing is not very strongly negative and maybe a little positive.

i suppose it was a matter of chance that rubio locked up on that particular talking point, but it's still a weird one -- presumably his opponents agree and do not need to dispense with the idea that obama is a radical

wow i have somehow avoided seeing rubio speak thus far but holy shit he really is like a 16 year old up there

His robotics aside, Rubio's point only makes sense within the world of right-wing rhetoric -- where, a.) Obama's presidency is universally understood to be a failure of massive, historical, unprecedented proportions; and b.) at least part of the reason for that massive failure was his lack of experience and preparation for the job. The latter point then being a useful cudgel for any Republican candidate to beat up a less experienced Republican candidate. So Rubio's answer is that Obama's not a failure because he doesn't know what he's doing, he's a failure because "he knows EXACTLY what he's doing," and what he's doing is bad, bad stuff, on purpose, unlike the good stuff that Rubio will do on purpose if you will only vote for him.

Funnily, man alive, I have seen some folks in the right-wing frothosphere make the same shift. They invested years on knee-jerk Obama dismissal: he's inexperienced, he's naive, he's an idiot who can't function without a teleprompter, he's a failure.

Nowadays, one sometimes sees messages like "Huh. He got elected and convincingly reelected, he got huge bucketfuls of his agenda passed, he's steamrolled the weak-ass opposition, he's ramming his policies down the nation's throats via executive order - hey, where can I get ME some of that kind of failure?"

Some of this is that the Teahadi anger is sometimes directed 51% at Obama/libs, 49% at the ostensibly spineless GOP for "failing to stop Obama." Sometimes it's the other way round.

In any case, "being like the rest of the world" is a sin in the eyes of those for whom American Exceptionalism is gospel

like somehow by hearsay i was duped into thinking rubio could be the successful establishment candidate but wow, the gop is really fucked huh

"Obama's been an inexperienced fool," a GOP operative said. "What we need is our own inexperienced fool as a candidate."

xxxp I'd guess the intent is to establish that the reasonable left is a threat, and requires a reasonable right to guard against it? IE he's figured out that he's not going to outflank Trump on TERRORISM, but has a better chance on gays, uteri, healthcare.

There may have been a time when that might have worked, I don't think that time is now.

I was confused by the answer at first too.

"You shouldn't elect a one-term senator to be president because he'd be too inexperienced. Just look at Barack Obama."

"Lets dispel this fiction that Barack Obama does not know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing."

actually "Let's dispel WITH," which shows Rubio's mastery of English.

Only namby-pamby liberals waste time attempting to use their spoken language correctly.

DISPENSE with

gah

Doesn't focus group well, reminds people of Medicare.

Here's an NRO loon making the point about Obama's masterly Alinsky-esque transformation of America.

Christie just crushed in that clip. I really hate the fucker but that was like watching Tyson fight.

^^^yup

He is a movement leftist with a transformational agenda and an Alinskyite’s understanding of the extortionate uses of power. Authoritarian rule, government-controlled health care, open borders, runaway spending, Islamist sympathies, crony-capitalist green energy – these are not initiatives Obama stumbled into because he was unprepared. Obama has studiously taken the country where he wants it to go.

These guys sure live in an exciting country! It's like Red Dawn: The Force Awakens.

you guys are going to declare every candidacy dead at some point

u know like the Republican party, w/ their stranglehold on 37 states

http://i.imgur.com/lcZ74ak.jpg

Thanks for posting that, your lordship.

This is one of the funny aspects of the dextrosphere's Obama derangement. On the one hand, his policies are terrible. On the other hand, he's incompetent. Theoretical Obama might do well to reply, "so we're good then?"

just as well i'm not a registered democrat, as my primary vote would mark me as either a sexist or antisemitic pig

that 6 minutes should finish rubio's campaign

With who, though? Republican primary voters or big-money donors?

it might have finished his campaign if he had any competition. does anyone really think christie or kasich or jeb! are going to be the candidate?

His robotics aside, Rubio's point only makes sense within the world of right-wing rhetoric -- where, a.) Obama's presidency is universally understood to be a failure of massive, historical, unprecedented proportions; and b.) at least part of the reason for that massive failure was his lack of experience and preparation for the job. The latter point then being a useful cudgel for any Republican candidate to beat up a less experienced Republican candidate. So Rubio's answer is that Obama's not a failure because he doesn't know what he's doing, he's a failure because "he knows EXACTLY what he's doing," and what he's doing is bad, bad stuff, on purpose, unlike the good stuff that Rubio will do on purpose if you will only vote for him.

― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Monday, February 8, 2016 11:17 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

does anyone really think christie or kasich or jeb! are going to be the candidate?

I think Christie could conceivably do it but who knows at this point

No I 100% get what he was trying to say, it just came out really badly in a subtextual way. xp

https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M8083bad8bd2fb1274973d36c308ff31ao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300