I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

Yeah, I was honestly confused about the point he was trying to make. Like...okay, and? Were you planning to elucidate how that's a bad thing? I guess I wasn't the intended audience, but still.

Yeah I mean even if you are the intended audience though, I feel like on a subconscious level that phrasing is not very strongly negative and maybe a little positive.

i suppose it was a matter of chance that rubio locked up on that particular talking point, but it's still a weird one -- presumably his opponents agree and do not need to dispense with the idea that obama is a radical

wow i have somehow avoided seeing rubio speak thus far but holy shit he really is like a 16 year old up there

His robotics aside, Rubio's point only makes sense within the world of right-wing rhetoric -- where, a.) Obama's presidency is universally understood to be a failure of massive, historical, unprecedented proportions; and b.) at least part of the reason for that massive failure was his lack of experience and preparation for the job. The latter point then being a useful cudgel for any Republican candidate to beat up a less experienced Republican candidate. So Rubio's answer is that Obama's not a failure because he doesn't know what he's doing, he's a failure because "he knows EXACTLY what he's doing," and what he's doing is bad, bad stuff, on purpose, unlike the good stuff that Rubio will do on purpose if you will only vote for him.

Funnily, man alive, I have seen some folks in the right-wing frothosphere make the same shift. They invested years on knee-jerk Obama dismissal: he's inexperienced, he's naive, he's an idiot who can't function without a teleprompter, he's a failure.

Nowadays, one sometimes sees messages like "Huh. He got elected and convincingly reelected, he got huge bucketfuls of his agenda passed, he's steamrolled the weak-ass opposition, he's ramming his policies down the nation's throats via executive order - hey, where can I get ME some of that kind of failure?"

Some of this is that the Teahadi anger is sometimes directed 51% at Obama/libs, 49% at the ostensibly spineless GOP for "failing to stop Obama." Sometimes it's the other way round.

In any case, "being like the rest of the world" is a sin in the eyes of those for whom American Exceptionalism is gospel

like somehow by hearsay i was duped into thinking rubio could be the successful establishment candidate but wow, the gop is really fucked huh

"Obama's been an inexperienced fool," a GOP operative said. "What we need is our own inexperienced fool as a candidate."

xxxp I'd guess the intent is to establish that the reasonable left is a threat, and requires a reasonable right to guard against it? IE he's figured out that he's not going to outflank Trump on TERRORISM, but has a better chance on gays, uteri, healthcare.

There may have been a time when that might have worked, I don't think that time is now.

I was confused by the answer at first too.

"You shouldn't elect a one-term senator to be president because he'd be too inexperienced. Just look at Barack Obama."

"Lets dispel this fiction that Barack Obama does not know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing."

actually "Let's dispel WITH," which shows Rubio's mastery of English.

Only namby-pamby liberals waste time attempting to use their spoken language correctly.

DISPENSE with

gah

Doesn't focus group well, reminds people of Medicare.

Here's an NRO loon making the point about Obama's masterly Alinsky-esque transformation of America.

Christie just crushed in that clip. I really hate the fucker but that was like watching Tyson fight.

^^^yup

He is a movement leftist with a transformational agenda and an Alinskyite’s understanding of the extortionate uses of power. Authoritarian rule, government-controlled health care, open borders, runaway spending, Islamist sympathies, crony-capitalist green energy – these are not initiatives Obama stumbled into because he was unprepared. Obama has studiously taken the country where he wants it to go.

These guys sure live in an exciting country! It's like Red Dawn: The Force Awakens.

you guys are going to declare every candidacy dead at some point

u know like the Republican party, w/ their stranglehold on 37 states

http://i.imgur.com/lcZ74ak.jpg

Thanks for posting that, your lordship.

This is one of the funny aspects of the dextrosphere's Obama derangement. On the one hand, his policies are terrible. On the other hand, he's incompetent. Theoretical Obama might do well to reply, "so we're good then?"

just as well i'm not a registered democrat, as my primary vote would mark me as either a sexist or antisemitic pig

that 6 minutes should finish rubio's campaign

With who, though? Republican primary voters or big-money donors?

it might have finished his campaign if he had any competition. does anyone really think christie or kasich or jeb! are going to be the candidate?

His robotics aside, Rubio's point only makes sense within the world of right-wing rhetoric -- where, a.) Obama's presidency is universally understood to be a failure of massive, historical, unprecedented proportions; and b.) at least part of the reason for that massive failure was his lack of experience and preparation for the job. The latter point then being a useful cudgel for any Republican candidate to beat up a less experienced Republican candidate. So Rubio's answer is that Obama's not a failure because he doesn't know what he's doing, he's a failure because "he knows EXACTLY what he's doing," and what he's doing is bad, bad stuff, on purpose, unlike the good stuff that Rubio will do on purpose if you will only vote for him.

― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Monday, February 8, 2016 11:17 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

does anyone really think christie or kasich or jeb! are going to be the candidate?

I think Christie could conceivably do it but who knows at this point

No I 100% get what he was trying to say, it just came out really badly in a subtextual way. xp

https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M8083bad8bd2fb1274973d36c308ff31ao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

just as well i'm not a registered democrat, as my primary vote would mark me as either a sexist or antisemitic pig

― mookieproof, Monday, February 8, 2016 10:59 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

marked in what way? isn't voting still anonymous in the US?

Rubio comes across in that clip like he's tattling on Obama to his mom

isn't voting still anonymous in the US?

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/ted-cruz-shaming-campaign-3.jpg

lol

caucusing isn't voting btw

wow that Rubio-Christie exchange is like something out of the West Wing. And the way the whole thing unfolded made Christie look incredibly deft or just lucky: Christie spends several days attacking Rubio as a talking point memorizing empty suit, setting up the media to ask about the attacks in the debate, then Rubio comes up with a lame response and repeats it over and over. The best part is when Rubio starts for the third time, Christie is about to pounce until he sees that everyone knows exactly what's going on.

xxp Varying the score even by a point would make it look more authentic, but then I guess you're going for the "easily fooled by scams" demographic.

It's the third time he pounces, no? The fourth time he just lets it roll.

the third he says something like "there it is again" but then everyone starts laughing and he holds back

Ah, no.

to hell with all these clowns

my primary vote would mark me as either a sexist or antisemitic pig

Hil is allegedly a Cubs fan, use that

from April 2008:

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!
Young women are growing increasingly frustrated with the fanatical support of Barack and gleeful bashing of Hillary.

http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/

I ain't no Obama Boy, I'm fierce

A FB friend of mine has made 21 pro-Bernie/anti-HRC posts in the last 24 hours

― I'm currently in an online essential oil class! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, February 8, 2016 9:41 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i have a few friends like this too and they're every bit as infuriating as the hillary pushers

it is kinda frustrating to be in between partisans on either side when I basically don't like either of them

ain't no holla barack boy

i have 3-4 all-bernie-all-the-time FB friends, it is over the top

very few hillary pushers, most of the people i know who like her are okay with bernie too, the bernie supporters through are pretty visceral in their dislike of hillary

yeah the enthusiasm is def a bit one-sided

bernie is fine but there is nothing to convince me that he won't go the way of previous dem challengers from the left

my feed is overwhelmingly bernie-focused but lately i've noticed a few 'coming out' for hilary posts- mostly young women, and i think in part due to that CAPS LOCK article or whatever

bernie helped a guy who fainted iirc, or at least ran ten feet to his right to see what the commotion was about. this is according to a few Facebook posts i've seen about why he should be president.