I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

btw I don't think anything could've stopped the House from going GOP in '94.

the whole thing with him being embattled by Ken Starr, which really did fucking suck

As the Beatles once said, these are words that go together well.

Anytime I hear about people being enthusiastically pro-Clinton I just wonder wtf world they were living in the 90s.

I was a college student who became a software engineer. It was a pretty cushy world to live in.

I was a kid playing Legend of the Red Dragon on various BBSs. always blamed Bill for my lack of prowess on that and other door games.

Also for the record how the fuck is it that no one noticed or commented on how fucking awful and racist the connotation behind this is:

BTW yeah there was some version of "Obama bros", I think it was "Obama boys"

remember the bros who enthusiastically sold NAFTA as good a good thing for the Democratic Party to support?

I was a college student who became a software engineer. It was a pretty cushy world to live in.
--its subtle brume (DJP)

Pretty sure that Bill was not responsible for either of these things (without getting into how non cushy a world it was for a lot of other people.)

lol neanderthal

and Johnson wasn't even impeached: the GOP fell short by one vote

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 8, 2016 10:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

er - no! he was impeached, then acquitted in the senate trial (which is where the one-vote thing happened). same deal as clinton.

"on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive)
Posted: February 8, 2016 at 8:36:38 PM
Talking to my folks for the first time about the election was interesting, they're 100% pro-Clinton and think voting Bernie is a "big mistake." Which I sort of expected. But I also had this moment of realizing that the Clinton years were sort of my political coming of age years -- first term partly spent at home, second term in college, and my parents were enthusiastically pro-Clinton so I was too, but then in college I started to feel like Clinton was betraying what I thought were Democratic values, and then from there the party just lost more and more ground (partly tbf because of 9/11). So then sitting across the table from my parents with my wife and two kids I suddenly had this powerful feeling of a gap, like "wait, now I actually see what went wrong, and you're still stuck in that mentality, but I'm the one who has to raise kids in the America that came out of it." I don't think I've ever felt more completely independent of them."

This rings so true with me at the moment, and kind of crystallizes my hard to describe feelings about this whole deal, esp wrt the kid thing.

"One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF)
Posted: February 8, 2016 at 10:18:49 PM
I was a college student who became a software engineer. It was a pretty cushy world to live in.
--its subtle brume (DJP)
Pretty sure that Bill was not responsible for either of these things (without getting into how non cushy a world it was for a lot of other people.)"

This is so so clearly not the point that DJP is making dude.

it was cushy for me cos i had a beanbag chair

Not sure what his point was.

i read it as "for the fortunate, a group in which i am aware i was a member, it was a good time." which is pertinent to the issue of how the 90s, clinton I, and his legacy might be perceived by some groups vs. others.

The people who can accurately interpret English sentences understood what I was saying

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/feeling-the-yern-why-one-millennial-woman-would-rather-go-to-hell-than-vote-for-hillary-8253224?utm_content=buffer652cc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

There seems to be no shortage of bizarrely sexist assumptions as to why I, a Millennial feminist, am not voting for Hillary Clinton. But speaking as a Millennial feminist, let me assure you: None of them is accurate. Granted, the span of my political biography is only as long as it took Howard Dean to go from human rights crusader to insurance lobbyist. But the reason for my political disaffection is plain: I've spent my entire Millennial life watching the Democratic Party claw its way up the ass of corporate America. There's no persuading me that the Democratic establishment — from where it sits now — has the capacity to represent me, or my values. [...]

If Millennials are coming out in droves to support Bernie Sanders, it's not because we are tripping balls on Geritol. No, Sanders's clever strategy of shouting the exact same thing for 40 years simply strikes a chord among the growing number of us who now agree: Washington is bought. And every time Goldman Sachs buys another million-dollar slice of the next American presidency, we can't help but drop the needle onto Bernie's broken record[.]

Sanders has split the party with hits like these, a catchy stream of pessimistic populism. Behind this arthritic Pied Piper, the youth rally, brandishing red-lettered signs reading "MONEYLENDERS OUT." If you ask them, they'll tell you there's a special place in Hell for war criminals who launch hedge funds.[...]

My favorite owl pellet comes from Alexandra Schwartz, writing for the New Yorker, who claimed Bernie's incessant talk of Wall Street fuckery is somehow outdated: "When [Sanders's] campaign tweets that it's 'high time we stopped bailing out Wall Street and started repairing Main Street,' you have to wonder," writes Schwartz, obtusely, "why his youngest supporters, so attuned to staleness in all things cultural, are letting him get away with political rhetoric that would have seemed old even in 2012."

What a charmed life Alexandra Schwartz must lead to think that the biggest financial meltdown since the Great Depression should resolve itself according to the needs of the news cycle. But believe it or not, the poors have not yet moved on from being gobsmacked by a globally devastating market collapse. Freedom from the burdens of financial ruin is a privilege I imagine millions of Americans wish they could share with New Yorker staff writer Alexandra Schwartz.

So to paraphrase

"Life for everyone in the 90s sucked because of Clinton, prove me wrong"

"Not for me actually"

"Well he had nothing to do with that and it sucked for everybody else so who cares what you say"

Lots of xposts, probably pointless now I imagine

part of what felt relatively cushy, in a broader sense, about the Clinton years was the sensation of finally having put the Cold War in the rear view mirror. this wasn't due to Bill himself, but it shaded one's sense of "what he stood for", what he embodied.

"The End of History"

yeah, not quite obv.

btw (and somewhat OT): I'm not a Don Lemon fan, but I love his panels

That VV piece was fun to read. Thanks!

if you use Chrome you seriously need to use this extension. makes a stunning amount of web content more bearable.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/millennials-to-snake-peop/jhkibealmjkbkafogihpeidfcgnigmlf?hl=en-US

"The end of history" was of course way overstating things. But calling it a time of (relative) peace and (relative) prosperity does not feel far wrong for many people.

"Things truly sucked for large numbers of people" is worth pointing out, but - that has been true of every time and place. It's also always true that there is a bubble of privilege in which people are largely untouched by the suckitude.

I think the word missed in my original post was "enthusiastically" either way this discussion is silly and I get Dan/JJ's point.

Sanders wins in New Hampshire (towns Dixville Notch, Millsfield and Hart’s Location), with nearly two thirds of the democratic votes!

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-prevails-and-g-o-p-has-3-way-tie-as-3-new-hampshire-towns-vote/

ha yeah, the person who put me onto the Voice article is also a near-daily advocate for the "snake people" extension. she can't imagine writing for the web without it.

If and when this winds down the way many have predicted, will Clinton bother extending an olive branch to Sanders supporters? She's such a disingenuous campaigner, and she's done little to ingratiate herself with young people, independents, etc. Obama didn't necessarily need her officially sanctioned support, iirc, but it seems she could possibly use that of Sanders and his crew.

She did in 2008 and got the State Department for her trouble. A Sanders administration may offer her hemlock.

she is for the young people, even if they're not for her ©

She won't have to. The hardest-core BS supporters will vote minor-party or abstain, and the spineless other Dems will, w/out any urging at all, COME HOME TO THE CLINTONS! awwwww, puppies

God I love puppies.

http://i.imgur.com/pqubzwv.jpg

draw me like one of your french bulldogs

"will Clinton bother extending an olive branch to Sanders supporters?" I think she'll have to. Or be told she has to. Either way, she will try.

For many, it will not work. It will seem like too little too late. The resentment about being called sexist, excessively idealistic, or insufficiently pragmatic for not supporting her will still bern, um, I mean burn.

For others, they still will never feel the Hill thrill, but contemplating the alternative - the prospect of EVIL REPUBLICAN BOOGA BOOGA! - will be sufficient to get them into the booth. Personally I hope there will be enough of these people.

Not sure I can grok the mindset of those who feel that if we didn't sufficiently embrace Bernie, we deserve whatever has come out of the sausage-grinder on the Republican side. But I gather that mindset is out there.

update from Dick!

Not a single Democrat primary voter is against a woman president. The ones who are old enough likely made a great deal of money when her husband was in office. But Mrs. Clinton is too weak for the center and too cold for the left. The American people are suckers; they want “people to people,” “getting to know you,” all that crap.

Clinton gives them something like a ventriloquist who lost her glass of water. The tone is off, and the voice comes from nowhere. Twenty-five years in public life and people don’t know what the hell she’s for. If you have a plan they’ll let you lie all day, but if not they’ll never forgive you....

Trump is dropping his guard again, Kasich made a strong play in last night's debate, and Rubio, well — my God. He sounded like a Chatty Cathy doll with a stuck voice box. Christie treated him like a spittoon. They are beating the hell out of each other for a foothold, and If Cruz was smart he’d be at a Charleston fish fry right now.

http://mashable.com/2016/02/07/dick-nixon-assess-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/#R.QZY51h_kqS

"The resentment about being called sexist, excessively idealistic, or insufficiently pragmatic for not supporting her will still bern, um, I mean burn."

Yeah, I think I can see another quadrant you're missing there?

I haven't seen any mention of this, but it looks like Rubio is glitching again. Dude needs to get a good IT guy on his team ASAP.

@dick_nixon

Trump could win with 24-25%. I think he gets to 27-28. Kasich is strong at 17; 20 or above is an effective win for him.

Bush comes in around 13. To have a hope of saving his neck Rubio must be toe-to-toe with Bush. Anything in the 10% range dooms Rubio in SC.

https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/01/06/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/01072008_met07dixville(2)-6390623.jpg

the last time the GOP won a presidential election without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket was 1928

injebability

@amychozick
"I know Sen. Sanders went to New York to be on ‘SNL' and I'm going to Flint to see if we can help with the kids," @HillaryClinton said.

@pareene
yeah OK she's definitely been talking to Mark Penn

I normally hate this kind of campaign trail reporting where we put a microscope on how well someone plays regular guy in the luncheonette, but it was funny as fuck with Romney and now it's funny as fuck again with Rubio:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/08/marco-rubio-skips-a-burger-but-not-a-chance-to-counterattack-chris-christie/

“There’s a couple, uh, Cubans in there,” Mr. Ryan said hesitantly, seeming unsure of what was actually in the burger. “We have some very nice aspects of that burger and some Brussels sprouts too.

tbh this is embarrassing

"It's made out of Cubans! It's Cubans!"

xxp tbf I wouldn't eat that unless I were guaranteed fifty bathroom breaks later that evening

Marc's Tongue in Aspects

After hitting back at Mr. Christie, Mr. Rubio said he was surprised that more Republicans weren’t echoing his chorus that Mr. Obama “knows exactly what he is doing.” And he didn’t show signs of laying off the line.

Because none of them are running against Barack Obama, you fuck.

Yeah in all fairness there could be plenty of reasons he didn't want it -- not wanting to eat a heavy meal while trying to stay sharp on a radio show, he's not a big red meat guy, he has a food allergy, there's some condiment he doesn't like e.g. mayo. It's just a funny awkward exchange.

Something about a burger containing ground-up cohibas doesn't quite tempt my tummy.

I would welcome information re. which of the candidates likes mayo, my vote is presently up for grabs, this would basically settle it tbh