I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

God I love puppies.

http://i.imgur.com/pqubzwv.jpg

draw me like one of your french bulldogs

"will Clinton bother extending an olive branch to Sanders supporters?" I think she'll have to. Or be told she has to. Either way, she will try.

For many, it will not work. It will seem like too little too late. The resentment about being called sexist, excessively idealistic, or insufficiently pragmatic for not supporting her will still bern, um, I mean burn.

For others, they still will never feel the Hill thrill, but contemplating the alternative - the prospect of EVIL REPUBLICAN BOOGA BOOGA! - will be sufficient to get them into the booth. Personally I hope there will be enough of these people.

Not sure I can grok the mindset of those who feel that if we didn't sufficiently embrace Bernie, we deserve whatever has come out of the sausage-grinder on the Republican side. But I gather that mindset is out there.

update from Dick!

Not a single Democrat primary voter is against a woman president. The ones who are old enough likely made a great deal of money when her husband was in office. But Mrs. Clinton is too weak for the center and too cold for the left. The American people are suckers; they want “people to people,” “getting to know you,” all that crap.

Clinton gives them something like a ventriloquist who lost her glass of water. The tone is off, and the voice comes from nowhere. Twenty-five years in public life and people don’t know what the hell she’s for. If you have a plan they’ll let you lie all day, but if not they’ll never forgive you....

Trump is dropping his guard again, Kasich made a strong play in last night's debate, and Rubio, well — my God. He sounded like a Chatty Cathy doll with a stuck voice box. Christie treated him like a spittoon. They are beating the hell out of each other for a foothold, and If Cruz was smart he’d be at a Charleston fish fry right now.

http://mashable.com/2016/02/07/dick-nixon-assess-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/#R.QZY51h_kqS

"The resentment about being called sexist, excessively idealistic, or insufficiently pragmatic for not supporting her will still bern, um, I mean burn."

Yeah, I think I can see another quadrant you're missing there?

I haven't seen any mention of this, but it looks like Rubio is glitching again. Dude needs to get a good IT guy on his team ASAP.

@dick_nixon

Trump could win with 24-25%. I think he gets to 27-28. Kasich is strong at 17; 20 or above is an effective win for him.

Bush comes in around 13. To have a hope of saving his neck Rubio must be toe-to-toe with Bush. Anything in the 10% range dooms Rubio in SC.

https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/01/06/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/01072008_met07dixville(2)-6390623.jpg

the last time the GOP won a presidential election without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket was 1928

injebability

@amychozick
"I know Sen. Sanders went to New York to be on ‘SNL' and I'm going to Flint to see if we can help with the kids," @HillaryClinton said.

@pareene
yeah OK she's definitely been talking to Mark Penn

I normally hate this kind of campaign trail reporting where we put a microscope on how well someone plays regular guy in the luncheonette, but it was funny as fuck with Romney and now it's funny as fuck again with Rubio:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/08/marco-rubio-skips-a-burger-but-not-a-chance-to-counterattack-chris-christie/

“There’s a couple, uh, Cubans in there,” Mr. Ryan said hesitantly, seeming unsure of what was actually in the burger. “We have some very nice aspects of that burger and some Brussels sprouts too.

tbh this is embarrassing

"It's made out of Cubans! It's Cubans!"

xxp tbf I wouldn't eat that unless I were guaranteed fifty bathroom breaks later that evening

Marc's Tongue in Aspects

After hitting back at Mr. Christie, Mr. Rubio said he was surprised that more Republicans weren’t echoing his chorus that Mr. Obama “knows exactly what he is doing.” And he didn’t show signs of laying off the line.

Because none of them are running against Barack Obama, you fuck.

Yeah in all fairness there could be plenty of reasons he didn't want it -- not wanting to eat a heavy meal while trying to stay sharp on a radio show, he's not a big red meat guy, he has a food allergy, there's some condiment he doesn't like e.g. mayo. It's just a funny awkward exchange.

Something about a burger containing ground-up cohibas doesn't quite tempt my tummy.

I would welcome information re. which of the candidates likes mayo, my vote is presently up for grabs, this would basically settle it tbh

The only "greens" Cubans eat are avocados. My people are notoriously resistant to vegetables.

plaintains! well i guess they are not green

is that why some of them haven't 'made' since '59? wokka wokka wokka

Mr. Rubio said he was surprised that more Republicans weren’t echoing his chorus that Mr. Obama “knows exactly what he is doing.”

whoever was saying upthread (man alive?) that this is a really awkward sounding line was otm. i don't think they needed to focus test that one to realize that it might be confusing to some people, and if you're just hearing it out of nowhere, out of context, it sounds like a compliment

out of all the things to choose as your mechanically repeated talking point

guys! this president! he knows exactly what he's doing! we've gotta do something!

We desperately need someone in the White House who has no idea what the fuck he's doing!

seriously, for a guy with zero accomplishments, i assumed that he got to where he is today by at least being skilled with messaging and telling people what they want to hear. but apparently he has calculated that what republicans want to hear is "obama knows exactly what he is doing"

Not sure I can grok the mindset of those who feel that if we didn't sufficiently embrace Bernie, we deserve whatever has come out of the sausage-grinder on the Republican side. But I gather that mindset is out there.

A vote for HRC is a vote for the establishment, a vote for the military industrial complex, and a vote for Wall Street. May as well vote Republican.

sadly your first sentence is probably right but your second definitely isn't

close enough for jazz

As noted previously in this thread and others, whatever negligible differences may exist between the various candidates, you're ultimately voting for who you want to see added to the Supreme Court over the next 4-8 years.

Yeah imagine Gore was 2 terms think of the Court today

"Obama is one of the greatest presidents we've ever seen...at changing America...I mean in a bad way, in a bad way!"

People can be inexperienced and at the same time know exactly what they're doing. Take Obama, we all know he's evil as evidenced by the emails forwarded to us by our uncles, well he is the thing I just described. Obama proves that inexperience doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing. Obama's evil is calculated and everything he does is a systematic step towards the ultimate goal of ruining this country (see: uncle emails). Therefore, Rubio is also inexperienced which means he is just as perfect at running very elaborate plans as Obama however he is not the same evil version. He is the good version of this. I get it.

Jesus fucking Christ for the last time I get what he was trying to say, that's not my point.

Why stop at Hillary? I'm sure they'll get somebody even worse in 2020/24 (Cory Booker?) and you can use the same SCOTUS figleaf unto infinity.

xxxp

The billionaire also issued his most damning indictment of the current campaigns to date. "I find the level of discourse and discussion distressingly banal and an outrage and an insult to the voters," Bloomberg told the Financial Times, adding that the public deserved "a lot better."

Yeah, I look at this wonderful, wacky vigorous campaign and I think, "Yeah, what this needs is the electrifying presence of Mike Freaking Bloomberg." And I am sure that the energized Democratic base is looking forward to hearing from the plutocratic king of stop and search, and I am equally sure that the energized Republican base is looking forward to hearing from a gun-grabbing Mayor of New York. Unless somebody figures out a way to clone Evan Bayh into infinity, this is a mere vanity exercise with potentially awful consequences. Go count your money, Sparky.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41967/jeb-bush-campaign-finance-reform/

I would honestly love to hear a lucid ('lucid') right-wing explanation of how exactly the country is currently worse than it was when Obama initially took office.

man alive I'm making fun of Rubio not you (speaking for myself)

Sorry, I went too subtle.

Yeah that was hyperbolic of me. Supreme Court makeup definitely a reason to vote Dem.

I just imagine Bernie, even if he is unable to get anything done as president, inspiring more left-leaning people across the country to get into local politics and stuff, unafraid of being called a socialist, willing to throw his support behind the issues that come up. It seems like social change really starts at the local level and it is clear that Bernie inspires people on that level. I could see Bernie actually bringing these up and discussing them, whereas I HAVE SEEN Hillary avoiding issues entirely in favor of whatever non-committal politeness gets her a vote.

wait, did obama destroy the country? i thought alan greenspan destroyed the country and then obama kinda helped make things temporarily not as destroyed. i haven't really been following the country that much lately.

xposts

a vote for HRC is not the same as a vote for a republican.

it's somewhat personal for me because if a republican takes office my work will see massive budget cuts and the president will try to implement recommendations that come straight from ALEC. that's just one of many differences. yes, HRC and a republican will both likely expand the use of drones and strenghthen the surveillance state, and they'll both go easy on wall street. but man it takes some serious tunnel vision to believe that there's really no difference. obamacare, as flawed as it is, never would have passed unless the democrats controlled the senate/house/presidency. what do you think will be the conservative equivalent if they gained complete control of the executive and legislative branches?

(republicans keep saying he destroyed the country...)

They already have complete control. They have been shutting the gov't down in protest yearly.

man alive I'm making fun of Rubio not you (speaking for myself)

― Evan, Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:37 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sorry, I went too subtle.

― Evan, Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:39 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh lol sorry, I think I didn't read your post carefully.

"what do you think will be the conservative equivalent if they gained complete control of the executive and legislative branches?"

oh man the world is their dirty oyster. there is no end to the hijinx they could get up to.

sort of goes without saying, i would think, that bloomberg would be vastly preferable to any of the current crop of GOP candidates

the Republicans need Evan Bayh

bloomberg no-labels rich centrist types will always wildly overinflate their political pull and will never be convinced otherwise. that we're seeing two of its opposing political types -- anticorporate leftism and anti-immigrant nationalism -- in very strong position in both parties is a signal that just never registers. rich people are blind and stupid.