I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

vetoed

look, let's just dispel once and for all with this notion that frederik b does not know what he is posting. he knows exactly what he is posting!

Him and Obama both.

Cuban burgers for everyone!

Fred b: "Now, let me be unclear"

lol Doc

lol DC

we need to get back to the issues that matter to the American people

This notion that Frederick doesn't know what he's doing is false! He knows exactly what he's doing. Okay?

we need to get back to the issues that matter to the American people

ie how can we program a robot to keep the homos from getting married

@brianvradenburg
@mtaibbi Do you think there is any way that Trump can be goaded into saying smegma at a rally?

‏@mtaibbi
Just hold up a sign near him saying, "Donald Trump is afraid to say Smegma." Should work.

uh OH, not RACHEL

‏@ggreenwald
.@Maddow tells Hillary she's been attacked by her & Bernie's supporters & sees no difference in tone/nastiness @5:30

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/clinton-chides-worked-up-sanders-supporters-619073091998

this speech thing is so dumb. they think americans who didn't care about benghazi and didn't care about the emails are going to get worked up about a puff speech to wall st?

different audience

actually, those are different if at times overlapping sets of worked-up americans

xp

Turn on FOX News and a mention of HRC can't happen without someone wiggling eyebrows and muttering darkly about the "imminent FBI bombshell."

Wow sexist

that sounds like Jessica Rabbit is going to burst into frame waving an incriminating email

xp: damn you dmac

no i understand they're meant to upset different ppl but these are just such boring scandals. benghazi was a little sexy since there were dead bodies but emails and paid speeches zzzzzzzzzz

sexiest scandal

http://www.motherjones.com/files/kissingerclinton.jpg

I think bill already depleted the sexy scandal quota in that family

hillary is an equal opportunity kisser

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/hillary-suha-arafat.jpg

hmmmm, who killed more ppl, Mrs Arafat or Kissinger... tough one...

HRC's buddy-buddy thing w/ kissinger is so nauseating

Not to defend FB, but pretty sure he was kidding about the whole "my opinions are right all the time" thing. Right?

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"I would like to point out that I have been OTM on this thread"

Rogues gallery!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/29/252BB6D300000578-2931868-image-a-3_1422569556266.jpg

worst three-way ever

Preliminary exit poll results show that Republican primary voters in New Hampshire are roughly twice as likely as Democratic primary voters to say that they want their next president to be from outside the political establishment.

Nearly three quarters of Democrats said they preferred a candidate with political experience rather than an outsider. In contrast, Republicans were about evenly split between those looking for an experienced candidate and those favoring someone who is not a career politician. (NYT)

Not sure if that means Hillary might outperform expectations or if NH voters consider Bernie an experienced insider.

no way, Tuomas' thing is more like "What is congress? I don't know how to find out"

Ha, I posted something kind of like this. In my defence, though, caucuses are fucking confusing. Several articles later, I'm still not totally clear on how the Iowa county and state conventions work and how those percentages we saw are derived from the actual caucus result.

lol neither are those of us in the US!

What is it that you're trying to say? Why on earth would that word-choice be important?

― Frederik B

caring about word choice matters because it helps me keep my head above water in the land of toxic political discourse i call my home. word choice is not a big deal, apparently, to Leninist Hilary Clinton supporters from Denmark

― rap is dad (it's a boy!),

x-post: Compared to dismantling white supremacy, then yeah, it seems pretty petty and insignificant to harp on whether Sanders self-describes as 'radical'. But hey, good for you that you can keep you're head over water that way, that's a real privilege, y'know.

― Frederik B

What does anyone hope to achieve by arguing on the internet? I'm interested in American politics, they're hugely important to the whole world. Plus I've lived in the US for a year. What's hard to understand?

Why are people so focused on personally attacking me instead of looking at my arguments? They happen to be correct most of the time. Oh wait, I just answered my own question?

― Frederik B

smh at the *privilege* of 'let's argue about us politics, it's an interesting hobby, don't you understand how hobbies work?'

Btw, I was right that Bernie Sanders is a self-described radical. As I most often am.

Okay morbs

haha

sorry i’m late to thread and this is just me banging my head against a fleshy wall but whatever.

i agree that there are a ton of important issues concerning which there is very little, if any, air between clinton (and obama) and several of the GOP candidates. and that you prioritize those issues.

however there are a lot of other issues where there is more than a little sunlight. many of those issues have to do with domestic policy, particularly in re. entitlements.

maybe this is unfair, but i sometimes wonder if the folks who make the "tweedledee, tweedledum" argument are insulated by their privilege from the effects of the sort of policies on which the two parties clearly differ.

that’s the nice version. the not-nice version is that people who can’t hold in their mind two propositions—

1) hillary is a corporatist candidate who embraces many policies that are odious (and has a very unfortunate tendency to a warlike foreign policy) (simple translation = Hillary Is Shit)

2) a clinton presidency would likely have many real advantages over a rubio (or bush/trump/kasich/whatever) presidency. (simple translation = Rubio/etc. Is Much Worse Shit)

—seem to me to have some kind of problem with critical thinking.

(just to add more evidence for #2, who do you think even "moderate" kasich will appoint to the NLRB?)

keep in mind that i live in state that, as of 2011, is controlled — in every branch — by activist republicans. the state has gone to shit faster than i could ever have imagined. walker et al have undone unions, undone the civil service code, undone almost every protection the safety net afforded the poor, undone the schools (K-12 and high ed)…. it will take decades, maybe longer, to undo the damage. it is a fucking nightmare and i have students every semester who tell me about the very real effect of GOP policies on their lives and those of their parents, sisters, brothers….

need i add that i have no love whatever for clinton, sanders, kasich, bush, obama, or any other establishment politician? but my choice is not to pretend — or to insist, over and over and over and over and over and over again, in the face of the evidence — that there are no substantial differences among them.

bottom line: the world is shit! but that doesn’t mean it can’t get much worse. (with or without our help.)

i don’t know why this makes me so mad. maybe it’s because this attitude seems so smug in its infantile misanthropy, its "edginess," but is actually so fucking corny and stupid.

"you" == some folks. i can't even remember what post i was responding to!

oh it's just your standard perfect (although Bernie is far from perfect) being the enemy of the good

It should make you mad! The morons like Chris Matthews who dare to run ads touting their Love of the Game don't understand how clean water and hacks operating state bureaucracies affect your children.

i guess as a teacher it just really frustrates me when seemingly smart people are so obstinately stupid about something!

also, a reminder that SC nominees matter: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-puts-obamas-clean-power-plan-on-hold/2016/02/09/a56476f8-cf84-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

btw the democrats in wisconsin suck! they really do. not all of them, by any means. but the party machinery, most of the prominent state politicians. they suck! they got lazy! they lack vision! that's one reason they lost so badly this decade. but the GOP --again, most, not quite all, of it -- is SO MUCH WORSE. SO. MUCH. WORSE.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/opinion/campaign-stops/the-destruction-of-progressive-wisconsin.html

http://www.openprocessing.org/sketch/306571/embed/?width=900&height=350&border=true

generate semi-random NH results, and NYT headlines that would go with them

maybe this stuff is harder to perceive from NY or California or whatever.

xpost

see also kansas

Yes, let's peek into Kansas: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/kansas-gov-sam-brownback-cut-45-million-public-school-funding