I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

and i mean mccain deserved to lose the election for among other things selecting palin, of course.

afraid to look at the beyonce thread! i got a ticket for her baltimore show today though so it's whatever, i'm happy

right, palin is unpalatable to 85% of people, i was sort of joking. she makes it "work" in her own fashion, since all her brand needs is to appeal to a small niche.

now they're headed to south carolina where 1) ted cruz has prob a lot of support and 2) campaigns always get REALLY ugly

Yes. I think Clinton's side will start amping it up immediately. (Ha--Sanders just said as much.)

what a challenge it is when frankly as a female candidate you can't echo that anger in the same way.

Trying to think of recent exceptions and couldn't. Bella Abzug's a little before my time...good point.

Maybe going a little long here. I guess he has to try to seize the moment.

i love sady doyle and the people who are saying those things should really think about how it sounds to be so excited to talk about doing physical violence to women. she's right.

i have noticed that a lot of men do not realize that comments evoking physical violence are not something, as a woman, i feel like i can afford to take as a joke and laugh off as figurative and exaggeration or whatever. i'm not going to ignore it like it's not a step toward actual violence because in this society it often is

politics has used metaphors of physical conflict since antiquity! female politicians use it all the time themselves. unless there's suddenly a disproportionate number of such references in the sanders/clinton race, i really don't think it means anything much.

i just don't foresee a time when we'll wipe political discourse clean of such metaphors, and i also can't foresee a situation when races with a leading female candidate somehow utilize a completely different set of metaphors than elections with two male candidates (or two female candidates).

i mean obviously it can go over the top, viz. palin's "bullseye" map of congressional districts. but i don't see that happening yet.

we're on to cincinnati

I'm also shocked that self-professed socialist who probably has bad breath can espouse a $15 minimum wage on TV.

I probably decided to vote Sanders today when I read his is the only campaign paying its interns.

xpost i can't believe you're looking for a way to gloss over those kinds of comments like they're acceptable. why?

One cease-and-desist order coming tomorrow from two elderly British gentlemen.

This thread should be named after this album (maybe the next thread in the series?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Promise_I_Will_Never_Stop_Going_In

as Trump comes on stage everyone chanting "build a wall, build a wall"

ugh so terrible

yeah, i don't think "well, it's always that way" is ever really a good justification. even if "both sides" are doing it, it'd still be a good thing if they stopped.

"Strong, incredible borders"--I didn't know borders could be so interesting.

Obama, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Bush, Gore, Clinton... angry guys usually don't get past the primaries.

I never thought the line between acceptable and unacceptable political discourse would be drawn to make the Rocky movies out of bounds.

I've stopped watching and have returned to rereading Anthony Hecht.

forty two percent unemployment

every time i hear trump speak at length i think of this ILX post:

Remember when I long-dicked you and broke your ovary?
You crab bitch, chickenhead hoe, eatin' heros

(Ghostface Killa, 'Wildflower')

Could he be the world's least coherent man?

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, March 22, 2003 2:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In a general sense--wars and the Olympics aside--how does a country "win"? It's such an odd construction. How is it measured, and what do you win?

daria-g otm

yes, rly liking daria's posts in this thread

xpost i can't believe you're looking for a way to gloss over those kinds of comments like they're acceptable. why?

― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:58 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which comments? some are terrible, some are not. likening a debate point to a landed blow doesn't seem so bad to me; boxing metaphors are totally pervasive in political discourse. i don't really see this as a serious problem.

"kicking the shit out of her" is bad.

"Strong, incredible borders"--I didn't know borders could be so interesting.

― clemenza, Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:05 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

warm, glistening, radiant, sweet-smelling borders

like a donut right out of the fryer.

"Strong, incredible borders"--I didn't know borders could be so interesting.

― clemenza, Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:05 PM

far better selection than Barnes & Noble rip

A shining border upon a hill.

hmm, borderline hot.

http://i.imgur.com/iUdh8V6.jpg

I feel compelled to re-post what I posted just before Saturday's debate began, just because it's as close to prophetic as I ever get:

I just want rubio's circuitry to go haywire onstage, his eyeballs spinning, smoke coming out his ears, over and over repeating "This administration this administration this administration"

wow lol, nailed it there.

Good one, dude.

http://i.imgur.com/WzSuGy8.jpg

Sounds like Christie may drop out--cancelling his SC events (where he now doesn't qualify for the debate), going home, presumably for more than a change of clothes.

just wanted to say that Kasich's hilarious toneless "There's magic in this campaign" made me expect a followup of "The magic of narcolepsy."

btw i read a refresher on his history re gay rights legislation and he's a shit.

hates women too!

wau -- Hillary lost by 21 points, according to the latest

as a female candidate you can't echo that anger in the same way. you just can't get up there and sound angry. it doesn't work

This is why my early candidate of choice in 2012 was Roseanne. She made it work.

obv "kicking the shit out of her" is bad, but i still think it's generally just a few jerkwads on the internetz. Elections steeped in fight/boxing metaphors, and even tho women were nowhere in sight (except Beyonce), 200 million Americans just watched a massive gladiatorial brain-damage spectacle.

i'll pour one out for christie just for the rubio smackdowns in the last debate. that was much appreciated. now get on back there to NJ, where they also hate you, get on now

he will dispel with those calls to drop out

"wau -- Hillary lost by 21 points, according to the latest"

Danish vote not decisive in NH

The states with the smallest populations of Danish Americans are as follows:

West Virginia - 1,317
Delaware - 1,585
Rhode Island - 1,811
Vermont - 2,522
Mississippi - 2,617

can't imagine NH is much different than VT.

i believe per 'Dick Nixon', Jeb! being in a near-tie w/ Cruz = survivability.

sanders has said a few times now, when asked about his health, "I have good endurance", and man is that becoming clear (that speech tonight, sheesh). the thing that strikes me about him is that his energy feels unforced -he's "playing within himself", whereas Hillary feels like she's pushing herself to a certain level of intensity (to match the energy of Bernie's rallies?). this is all very nebulous, gut-level perception, but I feel like she could burn herself out by the time of the convention.

btw i read a refresher on his history re gay rights legislation and he's a shit.

yup. it says something about people's memories and the ceaseless awfulness of the GOP primary season that kasich qualifies as 'moderate' to many people.

pataki was the only credible centrist in the race and he never got off the ground.

@ggreenwald
Sanders tonight won every demographic group: except for people earning more than $200,000, who voted for Clinton

@dick_nixon

For a man of such considerable political skill, President Clinton has never been good at hiding his anger in public. Even when he's silent.

I don't believe the rumors about Rubio's marriage and his preferences. But if someone wanted to exploit it, South Carolina is the place.

Chris Matthews is the kid who ran away to join the circus and has done it for so long that he forgets other people get up and go to work.

so is rubio cooked or what?

close?

Sanders needs to bulk up his yakkin' on foreign policy:

http://theweek.com/articles/604307/bernie-sanders-needs-serious-about-foreign-policy

Ben Carson (2.3%) is barely beating "Other" (1.7%)