I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

can't believe he LIED this isn't a "revolution"!

changing the Dems from within would be a sort of revolution; i don't remotely see it happening before the 1% leave earth in their Space Ark.

actually it's a Space Schooner- oh no I've said too much

do you have a portside cabin?

who do i have to vote for to get the "humanity is doomed but my administration will invent the space ark and colonize distant planets" policy? gingrich?

Lyndon LaRouche? still alive, i checked

LaRouche's promotion of space colonization included dealings with German scientists and engineers who had worked under the Nazi government during the Second World War, some of whom had emigrated to the U.S. and had ended up working for NASA. They included Arthur Rudolph and several other Peenemunde rocket experts, such as Krafft Arnold Ehricke, Adolf Busemann, Konrad Dannenberg, and Hermann Oberth. When Rudolph was forced to renounce his U.S. citizenship after an investigation into his past, LaRouche supporters formed a defense fund for him. LaRouche also collaborated with Ehricke on ideas about the colonization of the moon and Mars; after Ehricke's death, LaRouche sponsored the "Krafft Ehricke Memorial Conference," and in 1988 delivered a national TV broadcast titled "The Woman on Mars." See Siano 1992, LaRouche Political Action Committee 1988, and King 1989, pp. 80–81.

"actually it's a Space Schooner- oh no I've said too much"

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/boston-herald-media1.jpg

ONLY ONE CANDIDATE HAS GOT THE END TIMES COVERED. https://www.facebook.com/notes/vermin-supreme/vermin-supremes-62-point-zombie-preparednessenergy-independence-plan/355143137842845/

Kerry, DJP and "JT" together again on the Space Schooner

part of the lie about Bernie Sanders "revolution" stuff is that he clearly has no interest in breaking two-party hegemony - which is the root of a lot of our structural problems (we would be much better served by parliamentary/proportional style representation imo, "more like Europe" lol)

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― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:22 PM (30 minutes ago)

how exactly would any candidate do this though? given that no third party has ever made much of a dent beyond a single election and that relatively few americans would be game for a second constitutional convention.

Hillary has proven she doesn't need my vote to win. I wish her good luck I'm sure she will do some good stuff in addition to being an evil vampire squid.

The two-party debate is kind of pointless. Plutocrats have run things since far before the US Constitution. They fucking WROTE that thing.

They tried 3rd party with Nader and everyone freaked out about not towing the Democrat line. Now they are saying the same things.

bernie grew up in brooklyn in the 50s-60s so i'm sure he hooped as a kid but his form is decidedly not bad for a 74-year old dude. i can definitely imagine him in a YMCA pickup game

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:24 (35 minutes ago) Permalink

Totally, he's got old man game.

what the hell, from that Daily Caller link above:

In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders.

― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:15 PM (43 minutes ago)

tbh this is superdelegates basically doing what superdelegates were designed to do. they're a deliberately undemocratic device introduced in reaction to the post-1968 reforms that reduced party leaders' power to pick candidates.

yeah it was the count that threw me off, but it includes more that IA and NH, should have been more clear

that than

the most 'successful' third party right now is Working Families, which is just a guilt filter for liberals voting for humdrum centrist Dems.

they're a deliberately undemocratic device introduced in reaction to the post-1968 reforms

wasn't that post-'72, as a result of the McGovern crushing?

bc that's total "pledged" right?

Working Families would have to do a lot to earn my interest after backing Cuomo.

lol I voted straight working families ticket every election when I was living in NY

QED

i do wish the green party were a real thing here.

they are electing state reps and mayors here and there

@haaretzcom
Clinton to attack Sanders on Israel record after New Hampshire defeat http://dlvr.it/KSycjR

@ggreenwald
Do it! It will remind young Dem voters of things like this:

1) http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/ … -

2) http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/hillary_clinton_taking_the_u.s._israel_relationship_to_the_next_level

It's such a dumb issue to run on. I guess she's trawling for donations bc how many votes does she think the Israel issue puts into play?

wasn't that post-'72, as a result of the McGovern crushing?

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:05 PM (4 minutes ago)

mcgovern (and carter) were definitely the impetus but they're actually an early '80s innovation, introduced just in time to nominate mondale over hart.

ah, thank you for that history

I go to lunch and y'all are bantering about a parliamentary system.

The two-party debate is kind of pointless. Plutocrats have run things since far before the US Constitution. They fucking WROTE that thing.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:59 PM (20 minutes ago)

wonder what a constitution written by today's plutocrats would look like. kind of a horrifying thought experiment.

http://www.alec.org/

haha yep

Fiorina is out

Christie too

Rubiobot still waiting for Windows updates to load

Fiorina printed speech on HP printer

No official statement from Christie yet.

Fiorina was only really 'in' for about three days after one good moment in an early debate.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/02/11/us/11rubio-web3/11rubio-web3-articleLarge.jpg

Stacks of empty pizza boxes nearly reaching the ceiling of Mr. Rubio’s campaign headquarters in Manchester, N.H.
Credit Hilary Swift for The New York Times

lying about planned parenthood and promising simultaneous war with russia, china and iran is good for about 5 days' worth of "credibility"

i hope rubio takes his old West Miami Commission spot back (by a LANDSLIDE election) and stocks up the local vending machines with affordable, tasty, AND healthy snacks.

you go get 'em Rubes! now get on out there, ya hear?

those are "nearly reaching the ceiling" in the same way that rubio "nearly won" the last two contests

Horse racy questions: how poorly must Rubio do in SC to completely dispel with this notion that he knows exactly what he's doing? And how entertaining will the inevitable Rock'em Sock'em Robots Battle Royale between Señor Cruz and The Donald be, where each vies to hurl the ultimate ball-shriveling insults at and to out-smirk the other for the duration of the campaign?

that is a question for another thread but yeah I think left-wing there means lefty on other non-Israel related issues

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― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and yeah, left-wing does not necessarily imply post-colonialism, tho i think a post-colonialism case for the jewish state is not very difficult to make but this is not really the thread for it

― Mordy, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'll take the "question for another thread" way out here. i don't have the energy right now to go to that other thread and try to sort out my thoughts about this, but just wanted to acknowledge that you did respond.

Did I see that Sanders is (nominally) the first Jewish person, and first non-Christian, to win a presidential primary, ever? And Cruz was the first Latino, and Clinton first female. History in the making, regardless of outcome.

yup

what's with the "nominally"

granted he's not Joe Loserman but still

number of times my family ever self-described as polish (or ukrainian) immigrants: 0

My family all came from Poland/Russia/Germany/Austria well before WW2, and we definitely sometimes referred to them as Russian, Polish, German, etc.