I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

The two-party debate is kind of pointless. Plutocrats have run things since far before the US Constitution. They fucking WROTE that thing.

They tried 3rd party with Nader and everyone freaked out about not towing the Democrat line. Now they are saying the same things.

bernie grew up in brooklyn in the 50s-60s so i'm sure he hooped as a kid but his form is decidedly not bad for a 74-year old dude. i can definitely imagine him in a YMCA pickup game

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:24 (35 minutes ago) Permalink

Totally, he's got old man game.

what the hell, from that Daily Caller link above:

In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders.

― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:15 PM (43 minutes ago)

tbh this is superdelegates basically doing what superdelegates were designed to do. they're a deliberately undemocratic device introduced in reaction to the post-1968 reforms that reduced party leaders' power to pick candidates.

yeah it was the count that threw me off, but it includes more that IA and NH, should have been more clear

that than

the most 'successful' third party right now is Working Families, which is just a guilt filter for liberals voting for humdrum centrist Dems.

they're a deliberately undemocratic device introduced in reaction to the post-1968 reforms

wasn't that post-'72, as a result of the McGovern crushing?

bc that's total "pledged" right?

Working Families would have to do a lot to earn my interest after backing Cuomo.

lol I voted straight working families ticket every election when I was living in NY

QED

i do wish the green party were a real thing here.

they are electing state reps and mayors here and there

@haaretzcom
Clinton to attack Sanders on Israel record after New Hampshire defeat http://dlvr.it/KSycjR

@ggreenwald
Do it! It will remind young Dem voters of things like this:

1) http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/ … -

2) http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/hillary_clinton_taking_the_u.s._israel_relationship_to_the_next_level

It's such a dumb issue to run on. I guess she's trawling for donations bc how many votes does she think the Israel issue puts into play?

wasn't that post-'72, as a result of the McGovern crushing?

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:05 PM (4 minutes ago)

mcgovern (and carter) were definitely the impetus but they're actually an early '80s innovation, introduced just in time to nominate mondale over hart.

ah, thank you for that history

I go to lunch and y'all are bantering about a parliamentary system.

The two-party debate is kind of pointless. Plutocrats have run things since far before the US Constitution. They fucking WROTE that thing.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:59 PM (20 minutes ago)

wonder what a constitution written by today's plutocrats would look like. kind of a horrifying thought experiment.

http://www.alec.org/

haha yep

Fiorina is out

Christie too

Rubiobot still waiting for Windows updates to load

Fiorina printed speech on HP printer

No official statement from Christie yet.

Fiorina was only really 'in' for about three days after one good moment in an early debate.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/02/11/us/11rubio-web3/11rubio-web3-articleLarge.jpg

Stacks of empty pizza boxes nearly reaching the ceiling of Mr. Rubio’s campaign headquarters in Manchester, N.H.
Credit Hilary Swift for The New York Times

lying about planned parenthood and promising simultaneous war with russia, china and iran is good for about 5 days' worth of "credibility"

i hope rubio takes his old West Miami Commission spot back (by a LANDSLIDE election) and stocks up the local vending machines with affordable, tasty, AND healthy snacks.

you go get 'em Rubes! now get on out there, ya hear?

those are "nearly reaching the ceiling" in the same way that rubio "nearly won" the last two contests

Horse racy questions: how poorly must Rubio do in SC to completely dispel with this notion that he knows exactly what he's doing? And how entertaining will the inevitable Rock'em Sock'em Robots Battle Royale between Señor Cruz and The Donald be, where each vies to hurl the ultimate ball-shriveling insults at and to out-smirk the other for the duration of the campaign?

that is a question for another thread but yeah I think left-wing there means lefty on other non-Israel related issues

xp

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and yeah, left-wing does not necessarily imply post-colonialism, tho i think a post-colonialism case for the jewish state is not very difficult to make but this is not really the thread for it

― Mordy, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'll take the "question for another thread" way out here. i don't have the energy right now to go to that other thread and try to sort out my thoughts about this, but just wanted to acknowledge that you did respond.

Did I see that Sanders is (nominally) the first Jewish person, and first non-Christian, to win a presidential primary, ever? And Cruz was the first Latino, and Clinton first female. History in the making, regardless of outcome.

yup

what's with the "nominally"

granted he's not Joe Loserman but still

number of times my family ever self-described as polish (or ukrainian) immigrants: 0

My family all came from Poland/Russia/Germany/Austria well before WW2, and we definitely sometimes referred to them as Russian, Polish, German, etc.

I would most likely say "Russian-Jewish immigrants" or "German-Jewish immigrants"

that a little bit more common. but what do i know, maybe some polish-jewish immigrants strongly identified as polish before they emigrated

ugh if hillary wants to get hip with da kids I dont think slavish support of israel is going to help any

no it's almost certainly about soliciting donations, right? or maybe being more competitive in florida?

whoever wrote that WaPo editorial today about how her campaign has no strong narrative is otm, that's her real problem.

I wouldn't be surprised if my German Jewish ancestors had strongly identified as German. Maybe the dynamic would be different with Polish Jews. I'm curious to ask my dad if his dad had any Polish identity.

‏@CNN
.@JohnKasich: "I'm not just going to sit there and be a marshmallow" http://cnn.it/1Qs4Pt6

I didn't link the tweet because the first response is NSFW but this quote deserves to be enjoyed

It seems like Hillary's big problem with voters is honesty/trustworthiness. Maybe she should try a little jujitsu along with a pivot toward the general and say something like: Look the GOP is probablygoing to nominate Trump or Cruz, either of whom will say/do anything to get elected. Either of them would eat Sanders for breakfast with demagoguery/dirty tricks. You need someone who's survived the GOP slime machine and knows how to fight fire with fire.

the problem is that is demonstrably untrue - since she can't even put out fires in her own party

she kinda already does that, campaigns on the spectre of a republican presidency xpost

I thought that was one of her biggest talking points. I agree that the "I'm still standing" approach is one of her better ones. "Demonstrably untrue" or not (I'm not even sure how you'd demonstrate that), the image of her as some kind of grizzled veteran who knows how to play the game is one of the few that seems to resonate.