I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

sort of confusing though that the Trump action figure in the ad looks a bit like Cruz as well

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countdown to Trump releasing an ad of himself cutting the ears and nose off a Ted Cruz doll

she's NOT a grizzled veteran, she's never won a national campaign, she's never even really won a hard-fought state campaign

this. the most mystifying thing to me in this whole campaign is the assumption (even by sanders! at least publicly) that hillary clinton is this extremely accomplished, long-serving politician. she was barely in the senate longer than obama (and never held elected office before that, unlike him), she was a shitty cabinet member, what else...? i guess her just being in the public eye for so long has fooled people into thinking that amounts to something more than it does.

hey it's working for Trump

. o O ( "tomato cans"? )

wow that cruz ad grossed me out so much, those poor kids

leaving a trail of slime wherever he goes...

Maybe the "grizzled veteran" thing isn't the answer. I agree there is a certain formlessness/coldness to her political image that is a big weakness. I think she needs to figure out how to show passion on an issue that really means a lot to her and will resonate with voters. She's too all-over-the-map right now. Bill famously had "It's the economy, stupid" emblazoned on the walls of his campaign office, as a reminder to stay on message. People are deeply unhappy with Washington right now. I think she's been trying to stay too close to the center, thinking Sanders is not enough of a threat. She needs to shift course and co-opt one of Bernie's issues immediately. It will look opportunistic, but those voters who care about that are already not voting for her.

@JoseCanseco
hug for u Carly Florina. goodbye

I live four blocks from his ancestral home

she needs to distill things. which usually means a story/narrative about her that can be boiled down to a couple sentences. Even if it's just "let's elect a woman for once"

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Trying to decide if it's worth watching this Johnny Depp "Art of the Deal" web movie.

what's with the "nominally"

xpost I know he was born and raised Jewish, but does he currently identify himself as Jewish? Either way, I'll take it! I even had an Uncle Bernie irl.

Thought the line in Sanders' speech last night about everything-so-far-but-the-kitchen-sink, and that he had a feeling the kitchen sink was on its way, was kind of poignant.

It seems like Hillary's big problem with voters is honesty/trustworthiness. Maybe she should try a little jujitsu along with a pivot toward the general and say something like: Look the GOP is probablygoing to nominate Trump or Cruz, either of whom will say/do anything to get elected. Either of them would eat Sanders for breakfast with demagoguery/dirty tricks. You need someone who's survived the GOP slime machine and knows how to fight fire with fire.

― o. nate,

HRC's voter problem is an inability to convince voters that she's any more qualified to be president than the ornery Vermontian.

his followup tweet here is even weirder

https://twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/697544935977852929

this. the most mystifying thing to me in this whole campaign is the assumption (even by sanders! at least publicly) that hillary clinton is this extremely accomplished, long-serving politician. she was barely in the senate longer than obama (and never held elected office before that, unlike him), she was a shitty cabinet member, what else...? i guess her just being in the public eye for so long has fooled people into thinking that amounts to something more than it does.

― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:12 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't say she's "extremely accomplished" but I'd say she has a lot of experience with the inside view of how presidential politics works and with weathering the blows of being a controversial national figure. Also I don't particularly like her on foreign policy but is there really a case that she was a "shitty" secretary of state?

doves don't like that she pushed for greater intervention in syria but 3 years later i don't know that obama's plan has saved more lives

"tomato cans"?

Another boxing term! For stiffs, pushovers.

yeah I don't think she was particularly bad (and there were no good options in Syria), but it is interesting that Kerry seems to have the bigger accomplishments (Iran deal, primarily)

btw
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-4167.html#!

Holy shit, I got chills.

And those are pre-NH results.

Isn't Nevada next? That one is a caucus and could get weird.

Also I don't particularly like her on foreign policy but is there really a case that she was a "shitty" secretary of state?

What makes her a good one? Honest question.

srsly I haven't one event in her State Department resume that doesn't look like CV padding.

*haven't seen

making new allies and not making any new enemies is the Sec of State's job afaict

I was just looking at the 2008 primary wiki and goddamn I had forgotten how long that dragged on. Sanders may have the money, but I don't think he has the same widespread bases of support from the various voter demographics and party insiders that Obama had, his appeal isn't as broad, and Clinton's got to have locked up a lot of the superdelegates even more thoroughly than before. If this goes on as long as the 2008 primary did I'll be surprised.

I had a dim memory of Hillary winning California (which I remembered cuz I refused to vote for her - at least Obama carried my district)

Dead Libyans make poor allies.

clinton did a good job with myanmar. i mean, everything else she did kind of sucked, but props for myanmar, for sure.

anything she did in the middle east doesn't matter to 99% of americans. they don't care what happens there.

i'm trying to think of a place outside the united states that most americans WOULD care about...as far as murder and bloodshed go. Paris, I guess.

I was just looking at the 2008 primary wiki and goddamn I had forgotten how long that dragged on. Sanders may have the money, but I don't think he has the same widespread bases of support from the various voter demographics and party insiders that Obama had, his appeal isn't as broad, and Clinton's got to have locked up a lot of the superdelegates even more thoroughly than before. If this goes on as long as the 2008 primary did I'll be surprised.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:54 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This has been a concern for me too. My memory is that Obama was really dividing the party machine -- it wasn't this sort of complete insider vs complete outsider contest, it was more like he was (early) the riskier of two choices that both had some backers within the party establishment.

btw
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-4167.html#!

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:41 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Holy shit, I got chills.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:46 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And those are pre-NH results.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:47 PM (14 minutes ago)

what are we getting chills about?

2008 primary went on through fucking JUNE

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let's put it this way, 9 out of 10 americans has no idea what clinton did as secretary of state. which is probably fine by her.

anything she did in the middle east doesn't matter to 99% of americans. they don't care what happens there.

dude ISIS! If you're Christian, they chop your head off. If you're not Christian, they chop your head off. It's like Medieval Times(tm) over there!

it wasn't this sort of complete insider vs complete outsider contest, it was more like he was (early) the riskier of two choices that both had some backers within the party establishment.

yeah this. Obama picked up Ted Kennedy's endorsement!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/3/russian-fm-sergey-lavrov-failed-reset-was-inventio/

first thing i think of when i think of HRC at state is the 'reset button'

My 'bold' prediction is the dem primary is effectively over after super tuesday

"dude ISIS!"

i'm saying people in general don't care (or even know or have a memory of) what hillary did in the middle east as secretary of state. no more buildings blew up here, that's all they know or care about.

what are we getting chills about?

― k3vin k., Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:03 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just pretty impressed that Sanders was polling as high as he was in SC as of a couple weeks ago -- that's supposed to be his waterloo or wonderwall or something.

well, that polling still anticipates a clinton blowout - just way less of one. but yes, it is old, pre-Iowa data. I am very, very curious to see whether he's gained any ground. a win remains profoundly, spectacularly unlikely imo.

it'll be interesting to see what comes of the combination of his favorable press from performing well in IA/NH plus endorsements/pseudoendorsements from some prominent AA leaders (ben jealous, TNC, michelle alexander, shaun king). i seriously doubt it's going to be enough to make up a 30-point deficit in 2.5 weeks, but i'm curious to see how close he can make it

My 'bold' prediction is the dem primary is effectively over after super tuesday

this is my guess as well tbh

beyond the white/nonwhite demographic issues though places like SC and just have democrats that are much more conservative. not sure all the liberal endorsements in the world are gonna help much xp

places like SC and NV*

i mean isn't he still like -40 among minorities? polling well among white people will only win you the republican nomination.