I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

Of course once Hillary Clinton wins the GOP will be re-invigorated with an all-consuming revengeance to get out the vote ensuring GOP positions across the land in a local and federal referendum. If you thought they spitefully blocked everything the fresh-faced Obama tried to do, picture that with a party that has 30+ years of anti-Clinton material to work with.

I can see Bernie winning the national election. He has proven he can beat Hillary. If he is the Democratic candidate then he will inherit the prized Democrat votes that many assume just naturally belong to Hillary.

He has proven he can beat Hillary.

in... new hampshire.

would be sobering if trump won and picked for VP... sarah palin. she has endorsed him, after all.

i made the Obama-to-Jill Stein pivot after he threw Rev Wright under the bus + other odious shit

On the contrary, it would be intoxicating

"He has proven he can beat Hillary." = "He has proven he can beat Hillary in the liberal white northeastern state that is located next to his."

in... new hampshire.

which....is a state that votes in the general election

so is south carolina!

i wonder how much of the old-jewish-lady florida vote bernie can pick up.

on the one hand, he's a 70-something jewish guy! he speaks like doiby dickles!

on the other hand, he's a "socialist".

i'm all for not buying into the idea that bernie's victory/margin in new hampshire are totally meaningless (esp. given the stats showing him doing well with working-class voters), but yeah adam i think you're maybe overselling it.

Camille Paglia's incisive and iconoclastic writing on politics and pop culture has been part of Salon's fabric from the beginning.

Trump/Palin wins in the category of "Ticket most toxic for the middle"

goole: another bit i resisted quoting was the place she's suddenly taken to by a stray remark of bill's that hillary "kicks his ass"

nixon seemed odious to the public and really was mocked by the "establishment" but he inspired a lot more personal loyalty (often in people similarly mocked) than cruz seems to be able to muster from almost anyone

My Jewish grandma was a lifelong CP member, just sayin!

on the other hand, he's a "socialist".

this means squat unless you grew up in the era of Cold War propaganda. i missed that by a few years. socialism doesn't scare me.

dark horse Trump VP candiate: Joe Arpaio

god, that would be a shitshow

i wouldn't say bernie's win is meaningless either! i just don't think it foretells an overall victory! if bernie comes w/in 10–15 % points of clinton in south carolina i'll be impressed.

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this means squat unless you grew up in the era of Cold War propaganda.

like... old jewish ladies.

obv i'm stereotyping! my mom's an old jewish lady, and she's a socialist herself.

this is a weird thing I never thought I would say but Schwarzenegger is a) smarter than Trump and b) not really conservative either (he believes in climate change!)

I've read some about Schwarzenegger-as-governor and it strikes me that he really wasn't bad at all, if he was eligible he would almost certainly be the best option here

i could see trump picking a woman to quell some of his misogyny. idk who it would be though

Kate Upton?

Also: Nixon was smart when he wanted to be.

jenny mccarthy!

Trump/Dash '16

(also even public distaste for nixon could eventually be converted/perverted into an our-bastard affection, whereas ted cruz's kind of slimy is not even the kind of slimy you can really imagine will bring the hippies and blacks to heel)

Omarosa!!

(Your generalization was valid, amateurist, I just like to talk about my abuela)

:)

Nixon may have been slimy, but his face didn't look like it was melting

Karl, Arpaio would be megalulz. Thinking about this raises the question about his sincerity on immigration.

Trump plumped for the border as his signature issue as a strategic move, so as to be on everyone's right in the primaries. No one remembers him being vocal about this before, right? So he may abandon it just as quickly when is not seen to be a general-election winner. If his running mate is yoked to that issue then so is his entire campaign.

If on the other hand he really is sincerely committed to immigration as His Issue, then why stop at Jan Brewer? Arpaio indeed.

i'm positive Trump is sincere about immigration

Nixon may have been slimy, but his face didn't look like it was melting

― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous),

but that's what killed him in the JFK debates!

ppl always compare every demagogue to joe mccarthy but cruz is the first one i can remember who actually even looks like mccarthy. eyebrows and everything.

So are u guys leaning dem or republican

Ha yes Alfred but Cruz pulls off the trick without breaking a sweat

He's our first presidential candidate whose most fitting portraitist would be Francis Bacon

his most fitting portrait would be of bacon:

http://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/wp-content/uploads/sites/29639/2015/10/Bacon.jpg

That too

i was updating my voter registration the other day so i can vote in super tues and the list of political designations here is full of corny stuff like 'pizza party' with no contact info

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I don't think Trump as nominee would backtrack on immigration, nor would he need to. I mean, he'd tone down the rhetoric, but "securing the border" would be a talking point for him through the fall. I don't think he really needs to change his promises that much in order to move to the center - just the emphasis. He'll talk up things he's already promised: such as spending more on infrastructure, shoring up Medicare and social security, placing trade sanctions on China and other countries that are stealing our jobs. The appeal of these cuts across party lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NunNrElCRDs

cd 1 of you link like 1 short to medium length piece on cruz which fully eludicates the lay observer of his evil

So are u guys leaning dem or republican

It is entirely possible to lean in directions away from both.

i tried that and fell on my face

this guy is doin it

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cb/92/23/cb922372af7ff4692a4ccfe77b79d2bb.gif

xp Adopt a wider stance and flex your knees more.

I'm leaning dem atm but I'll probably ultimately wind up voting for Hillary anyway.

Cruz/Nixon comparisons are all p superficial - and no way does Cruz have the broad appeal that Nixon managed to swing. Also Nixon was all about calling in favors/collecting chits/sucking up to and/or blackmailing people he needed. Everybody hates Cruz, he has no chits to collect.

in the Cuban American community there's this visceral reaction to Harry Belafonte b/c he palled around with Castro; it's like saying "JFK" or "eat vegetables."

omigod you guys:

When I watch Sarah Palin, I don’t think sex — I think Amazon warrior! I admire her competitive spirit and her exuberant vitality, which borders on the supernormal. The question that keeps popping up for me is whether Palin, who was born in Idaho, could possibly be part Native American (as we know her husband is), which sometimes seems suggested by her strong facial contours. I have felt that same extraordinary energy and hyper-alertness billowing out from other women with Native American ancestry — including two overpowering celebrity icons with whom I have worked.

I don't think he really needs to change his promises that much in order to move to the center - just the emphasis.

nobody gives a shit about Trump's policy ideas, they're basically nonexistent anyway. He can't be less of a bully in the general, both because he's incapable of it and because it's the sole source of his appeal.