I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

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I don't think Trump as nominee would backtrack on immigration, nor would he need to. I mean, he'd tone down the rhetoric, but "securing the border" would be a talking point for him through the fall. I don't think he really needs to change his promises that much in order to move to the center - just the emphasis. He'll talk up things he's already promised: such as spending more on infrastructure, shoring up Medicare and social security, placing trade sanctions on China and other countries that are stealing our jobs. The appeal of these cuts across party lines.

o. nate, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NunNrElCRDs

ulysses, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link

cd 1 of you link like 1 short to medium length piece on cruz which fully eludicates the lay observer of his evil

odysseus (imago), Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link

So are u guys leaning dem or republican

It is entirely possible to lean in directions away from both.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link

i tried that and fell on my face

ciderpress, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link

xp Adopt a wider stance and flex your knees more.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link

I'm leaning dem atm but I'll probably ultimately wind up voting for Hillary anyway.

maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link

Cruz/Nixon comparisons are all p superficial - and no way does Cruz have the broad appeal that Nixon managed to swing. Also Nixon was all about calling in favors/collecting chits/sucking up to and/or blackmailing people he needed. Everybody hates Cruz, he has no chits to collect.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link

in the Cuban American community there's this visceral reaction to Harry Belafonte b/c he palled around with Castro; it's like saying "JFK" or "eat vegetables."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link

omigod you guys:

When I watch Sarah Palin, I don’t think sex — I think Amazon warrior! I admire her competitive spirit and her exuberant vitality, which borders on the supernormal. The question that keeps popping up for me is whether Palin, who was born in Idaho, could possibly be part Native American (as we know her husband is), which sometimes seems suggested by her strong facial contours. I have felt that same extraordinary energy and hyper-alertness billowing out from other women with Native American ancestry — including two overpowering celebrity icons with whom I have worked.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:03 (eight years ago) link

I don't think he really needs to change his promises that much in order to move to the center - just the emphasis.

nobody gives a shit about Trump's policy ideas, they're basically nonexistent anyway. He can't be less of a bully in the general, both because he's incapable of it and because it's the sole source of his appeal.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Οὖτις otm about Cruz v Nixon. two very different pols.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Even if she disappears from the scene forever after a McCain defeat, Palin will still have made an enormous and lasting contribution to feminism. As I said in my last column, Palin has made the biggest step forward in reshaping the persona of female authority since Madonna danced her dominatrix way through the shattered puritan barricades of the feminist establishment.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Paglia always reads like she is soooooo hot n bothered, it's hilarious.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Clickbait Godmother Camille Paglia

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link

A compilation of greatest hits from Game Change should be projected behind Palin at all of her public appearances. Never forget.

maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link

I don't think anyone can pretend to have any idea what would happen if it's Sanders vs. Cruz or Trump in the general election. I feel quite comfortable in saying that election would have absolutely no precedents in American history.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link

imago, I think Jeffrey Toobin's long-ish New Yorker profile successfully describes the evil that is Cruz. it's old (or rather, it predates the campaign), but here:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/30/the-absolutist-2

word to your mother-in-law (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link

alex in sf otm, it is v hard to say what the outcome of that would be xp

marcos, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link

i had forgotten about this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/CDMsT53.jpg

Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link

liberty pillows and liberty upholstery and...is that Hugh Hewitt over his right shoulder?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link

for some reason i thought i remembered something in that same article about ted cruz having a portrait of himself arguing in front of the supreme court, but i don't see it.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link

That's the portrait. It's a portrait of a portrait of a mural.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link

you gotta hand it to paglia, she keeps getting the assignment, 20+ years since anybody took her seriously

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link

fwiw, Nixon was mistrusted for similar reasons as HRC, as someone who was so calculating and shifty that you knew he could not be trusted. but tbf, HRC is nowhere in Nixon's league when it comes to deeply shrewd calculation and insincerity.

Cruz is just a small-timer who has nowhere near the cunning of Nixon, despite his reputed braininess. Nixon was insecure enough to recalculate every move a hundred times beforehand until it was refined to an essence. Cruz is so arrogant he will just keep punching his ticket the same way with the same loonies and evangelicals and has showed no ability to succeed in his ambitions at a national level, other than getting tons of media attention for his failures.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link

would pay $$ to hear Ted Cruz discuss "Modern Family" like Dick did "All in the Family."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link

Or like Dan Quayle discussed Murphy Brown?

word to your mother-in-law (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link

uh have you guys missed Cruz's pop culture refs/impersonations

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link

I understand his "Princess Bride" mimicry is well-regarded but I have not been able to get drunk enough to experience it yet.

word to your mother-in-law (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link

Not for lack of trying

word to your mother-in-law (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link

Palin has made the biggest step forward in reshaping the persona of female authority since Madonna danced her dominatrix way through the shattered puritan barricades of the feminist establishment.

Ciccone/Gaga '16

word to your mother-in-law (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link

"I don't think anyone can pretend to have any idea what would happen if it's Sanders vs. Cruz or Trump "

throw in Bloomberg for max crazee

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link

don't forget jim gilmore

Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link

Why Do I Hate That Bernie Thing On My Facebook So Much? Why Am I Such A Jerk?

http://i.imgur.com/C12rBHR.png

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link

Sanders v. Cruz would have a nice clarifying effect. A good test case of who is more deluded about where the country truly stands (see fantasies described upthread).

Not sanguine about using the nation as a laboratory though, as my kids will have to live in it

word to your mother-in-law (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link

i saw maybe one establishment paper claiming hillary was leaving NH with more delegates but like 100 bernie fans on fb freaking out about how super delegates undermine American democracy

Mordy, Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link

i think it's pretty clear who lady gaga should be sharing a ticket with though. U-S-A!

http://img.costumepedia.com/1/348/lady-gaga-wearing-an-american-flag-costume.jpg

le gagz may have fallen off a bit, sure, but i'm in.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link

super delegates are there to do exactly what people are complaining about them doing though. while it is very low on the list of things that need sharing on facebook, particularly by the shrill, it can't hurt to have more people grousing about them. doubt anything will ever happen to them until someone actually "steals" a nomination vs. the popular vote, but i mean, they're part of the party rules, they can be changed by means other than "start another party."

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link

CHILL OUT
Michigan didn't just ban anal sex

etc

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link

particularly by the shrill

hey i stopped calling her that 3 years ago

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link

wait, Michigan banned anal sex?

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:24 (eight years ago) link

no but it was a hot lubed rumor

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link

first time this thread has gotten my attention all day.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link

Heidi Cruz: Ted Running To ‘Show This Country The Face Of The God That We Serve’

https://soundcloud.com/rightwingwatch/heidi-cruz-ted-running-to-show-this-country-the-face-of-the-god-that-we-serve

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link

thirteen years since lawrence v. texas! god, where has the time gone.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link

http://alibertarianfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Ted-Cruz-Doesnt-Deserve-Libertarian-Support.jpg

This Facial Expression Of The God that We Serve

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:38 (eight years ago) link


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