I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

I took part in those protests and I really don't agree with this analysis

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, February 12, 2016 10:16 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i was there too, and i have no idea what he's driving at. the WI protests weren't the start of anything, i don't think.

I think those protests were very specific to union organizing and were not really aimed at economic inequality generally. I think the line that gets you to the mass of energetic young voters/campaigners who are excited about sanders 16 starts at obama 08 not madison 11. Maybe a way to put it is that I think of "populist ferment" as having a flavor of "there's a system in place that's stacked by design against everybody except the rich, many establishment people in both major parties are in on it, we need something new, and something new is possible." Obama 08 has that to some extent, Occupy definitely has it, Sanders 16 has it more than Obama 08 does, Trump in his way has it too.

The Madison protests by contrast are fundamentally CONSERVATIVE in nature: "There's a system in place, historically accepted by both major parties, it protects us and it works, there's a bad actor trying to tear it down for his own purposes, let's stand up for our traditional Wisconsin way of life."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syln8IkOIqc

.... damn.

good ad. Bernie's rhetoric on the topic is kinda leaden, unfortunately.

shhh Frederic will hear you!

Not a good look to shush a young black man like that, Alfred.

I don't know how it's supposed to slot in typical 2+ minute commercial breaks but that is a spectacular ad.

i was 50/50 on the campaign-ad part of it, but just thought it was really great and powerful to open with her words and just give her space to speak to what could be an enormous audience. this very down-to-earth but ennobling portrait of a female black activist, in the present-day, feels very rare to me in terms of what you're likely to turn on TV and see. and over top of that the weight of her actual story, putting me into thinking about the case again... that hits very hard. i kinda couldn't care less if it gets anybody to vote for bernie sanders but if it gets anybody to think about police violence differently then i consider my sanders campaign donation dollars well spent.

Kasie Hunt Verified account @kasie Sanders campaign has a 2-minute Erica Garner vid they will air on national cable. They tried to buy 4 min on CNN, MSNBC, BET -- turned down

^^^ which is interesting if not utterly unsurprising. i can't find the 2-minute version online; either it's not out yet or, more likely, the point is to make sure the 4-minute one you see (and hopefully, the one that goes viral).

That is the best ad I've seen of the campaign season.

to bring you down: fixers at work...

The Democratic National Committee has rolled back restrictions introduced by presidential candidate Barack Obama in 2008 that banned donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees.

The decision, which may provide an advantage to Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, was viewed with disappointment Friday morning by good government activists who saw it as a step backward in the effort to limit special interest influence in Washington.

“It is a major step in the wrong direction,” said longtime reform advocate Fred Wertheimer. “And it is completely out of touch with the clear public rejection of the role of political money in Washington,” expressed during the 2016 campaign....

Since it was introduced, lobbyists and corporate advocates in Washington have complained about the ban and other limitations imposed by Obama. The only portion of the old rules now remaining in place is that lobbyists and PAC representatives will still not be able to attend events that feature Obama, Vice President Biden or their spouses, according to Mark Paustenbach, deputy communications director for the DNC.

“The DNC’s recent change in guidelines will ensure that we continue to have the resources and infrastructure in place to best support whoever emerges as our eventual nominee,” Paustenbach said in an email.

Let's just call that guy "Pus."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-allowing-donations-from-federal-lobbyists-and-pacs/2016/02/12/22b1c38c-d196-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

you guys are aware that's not gonna run on TV right

xp

it's way too long for one thing

welcome to Trenchant Observations with Οὖτις

just got my absentee ballot for the Illinois dem primary and there are other possibilities I didn't know of! I may vote for Willie Wilson, who ran for mayor of Chicago in 2015 and came in third with 10% of the vote. his website gives no platform, just his life story, but that sounds good to me. I was thinking about voting for Rocky de la Fuente, who owns car dealerships in southern California, but he's a conservative Dem, no need for that.

also I can vote for delegates to the national convention but only for Clinton or Sanders so I may sit that one out.

I mean I'll probably vote for Clinton in the real election, but this is for Illinois, where I don't even live anymore, and I think treating this like I treat most ILX polls makes sense.

you guys are aware that's not gonna run on TV right

xp

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 12, 2016 5:34 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

you guys are aware that's not gonna run on TV right

xp

Pierce:

...(C)ynic that I am, I also am Catholic enough to believe in redemption, and I also am an adherent of the political philosophy espoused by Benjamin Bow Hannaford, the fictional president created by the late Drew Pearson in two novels: in a democracy, the right things always get done for the wrong reasons. For whatever the reasons, sincere or strategic or something in between, HRC has gotten right where she needs to be going into South Carolina. However, even as she uses the Obama presidency as both sword and shield, she also has to hope that the African-American voters down in the home office of American sedition don't remember what she and her husband said about the president before she went to work for him....

(Clinton:) "I am not a single-issue candidate, and I do not believe we live in a single-issue country."

Now, it's preposterous in the extreme to say that Bernie Sanders, of all people, is a one-issue candidate in this context. He was fighting for LGBT rights when the previous president Clinton was signing DOMA. He was railing against the monied interests when the previous president Clinton was signing away Glass-Steagall. He was standing up for unions when the previous president Clinton was pushing NAFTA. It also is preposterous in the extreme to believe that Sanders doesn't realize that economic inequality is the only form of inequality that needs to be addressed in the country. But HRC did an exceptional job making that argument on Thursday and, maybe, she has put away the things of her husband's presidency and truly has been moved by the populist ferment that, in truth, began on the lawn of the Wisconsin state capital five years ago this week. Anything's possible. What is undeniable, however, is that, absent the presence of Bernie Sanders in this campaign, we'd never know any of that for sure.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42081/democratic-debate-milwaukee-recap/

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, February 12, 2016 10:53 AM (1 hour ago)

this is excellent, and (believe it or not) articulates some of the feelings i've been having about clinton, her possible redemption, and me trying to talk myself into not disliking her as much

i don't bleeve it of her

fool me twice, won't get fooled again, as W said

also wow, that ad. doctor casino otm

Well we got a new GOP South Carolina poll

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/12/opinion-savvy-poll-conducted-for-augusta-chronicle-morris-news-and-fox-5-atlanta-trumps-holds-substantial-lead-in-south-carolina-battle-for-second-is-tight/

And...

"Trump: 36%
Cruz: 19%
Rubio: 15%
Bush: 11%
Kasich: 9%
Carson: 5%
Undecided: 5%"

SC has the best state flag

Kasich, very liberal

haha rubio continuing to build momentum with a big 3rd place finish!

it's crazy how super-PAC money has basically fucked the GOP establishment this time around. Not an outcome I would have predicted. Trump looking increasingly like the nominee, can only imagine how well his "I hate Mexicans" shit is gonna play in the Southwest GOP enclaves

the sanders promo upthread is the first campaign ad i've seen that isn't oppositional to a candidate but oppositional to a system in a way that is thought provoking and human
and it's hopeful! it's suggesting a way forward that's based on accountability and consideration.
good on bernie

this is excellent, and (believe it or not) articulates some of the feelings i've been having about clinton, her possible redemption, and me trying to talk myself into not disliking her as much

I don't think it's that insane, particularly in a solid one-party state, to draw that line in the sand.

you gonna draw that line in the general election?

what % of ppl who say the iraq war vote is disqualifying would not have held it against biden in a primary

amazing ad

xxp - yep. Like I said, solid one-party state I don't have to make tactical voting decisions, my ballot is irrelevant. Even in a closer state, hundreds of thousands of dead, 1.5 trillion wasted in the process and voting for it out of political cowardice would probably still stop me.

i just can't see Clinton NOT putting on some hyper capitalist warhawk for her Supreme Court pick(s). i can easily see a Clinton justice voting corporate in the next Citizen's United.

i think social progress is something that is bipartisan and local/regional more than federal/national. the internet is showing us new ways of communicating and getting our message heard through new channels.

Biden is a horrendous pig in nearly as many ways as HRC

yeah probably moreso imo

(and he has proved even worse at running for president)

https://www.ted.com/talks/jennifer_8_lee_looks_for_general_tso
yeah, i know ted talk but still

whoops wrong thread

nah cuz Biden is chicken

this is excellent, and (believe it or not) articulates some of the feelings i've been having about clinton, her possible redemption, and me trying to talk myself into not disliking her as much

A friend's mom got super pissy on Facebook because I responded to something about Clinton saying that she could never earn my vote because any politician who voted to invade Iraq is dead to me.
I don't think it's that insane, particularly in a solid one-party state, to draw that line in the sand.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, February 12, 2016 1:15 PM (19 minutes ago)

oh don't get me wrong, i would never vote for her. i just...would like to be pleasantly surprised

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/

first poll out of nevada looks good for bernie

that is crazy

a huge swing in just a month!

if clinton had spent the last decade demonstrating that she'd learned something from the iraq debacle instead of lobbying for "tough" responses to every single foreign policy issue, i might consider supporting her

i'm reading the poll now. ~1200 registered voters, 2/3 of them are 45+. even split for bernie/hillary. no data on race though

wowwwwww.

it's one poll, though, and a caucus state, so let's not get too carried away. (also, 538's model - smartly - devalues polls as they get old, so one brand-new one, after a lonnng drought, gets a ton of emphasis in the model. the model is presumably not really designed for situations where everybody stops polling for a long while. presumably in the next few days a bunch more data will be coming in.)

hillary's campaign manager is from nevada, and he delivered it last year. I don't put much stock in bernie's odds there. its also a stupid caucus.

Hillary won a caucus in Nevada last year?

Hillary just published a very pro-union column on...medium? This is odd on multiple levels, including her description of herself as
"Wife, mom, grandma, women+kids advocate, FLOTUS, Senator, SecState, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, 2016 presidential candidate."

https://medium.com/@HillaryClinton/organizing-to-raise-wages-f7ee4ec2ee0b#.8f6cf2who

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/

first poll out of nevada looks good for bernie

― k3vin k., Friday, February 12, 2016 1:47 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok holy shit. This is a glitch in the matrix or something.

Rubio has moved to the "Message: I care" phase of his programming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/talking-to-marco-rubio-a-scripted-candidate-suddenly-gets-chatty/2016/02/12/2bd9d0e4-d10a-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html