I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

http://i.imgur.com/yIVmbGx.png

next-level

looooooooool

i guess support the troops unless you can score some quick and easy dogwhistle points

Outside of meals for people with celiac or other legit medical conditions, I 100% support that position.

wow fuck you

Cruz's position is explicitly "fuck your legit medical condition"

I don't think food should be made to taste worse for no scientific or medical reason, especially within the already difficult constraints of an MRE. But I was being half facetious obviously.

Trump's latest tweet is 100% schoolyard:

Jeb Bush just got contact lenses and got rid of the glasses. He wants to look cool, but it's far too late. 1% in Nevada!

lol, I hope he runs in every GOP primary from now until he croaks

There's no way he's not having a blast coming up with those lines

Trump's been on a streak of attacking his opponents' appearance over the last several days. Which you'd think would be a very easy thing to counter in kind, were one so inclined.

That's his opening, is that none of the others will "lower themselves" to calling him "a vulgar talking yam" (to quote Gawker's awesome description).

Trump is also semi-immune to those kinds of shots by having an obviously ridiculous appearance.

http://www.dailyyonder.com/files/u2/yam-tango-320.jpg

not presidential race-related, but if you needed something to brighten your day:

http://m.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2016/02/16/texas-board-of-education-candidate-president-obama-was-a-prostitute

Christ on a cross.

This is lovely though:

I believe our schools should get back to basics teaching phonics , grammar rules, spelling rules, cursive handwriting, traditional math, and Texas values. I will do all I can to make parents and legislators aware of the terrible consequences of Common Core Curriculum and federal control of the schools.

Communist goal #17 is: Get control of the schools.

I wonder what the 16 other communist goals are

I feel like no one ever goes over those at the central committee meetings

Do the shoogaloo.
Do the shy tuna.
Do the aqua velva.
Do the hypocrite.

lol

she actually goes on to mention goals 40 and 41 so it's hard to know how many there in fact are. presumably, if elected, these will be enumerated in the new improved middle-school textbooks on a fiery red page at the back.

i'm sure the printed out 90s era email forward she's working from is pretty extensive

Sanders has the last 30 goals that Obama lost when his pamphlet got mixed up in the pile of cursive writing for the commie papershredder

Interesting article about Clinton's speech in Harlem yesterday. (Note: The NY local TV news that I saw focused on her coughing fit, not the content of the speech.)

'I genuinely couldn’t believe what I was hearing. The tiptoeing had vanished. She wasn’t trying to win everyone’s vote by flying as close to the middle as possible. And even though the room was markedly black, these thoughts were now on her permanent electoral record for all to see. The use of “imagine” was powerful, because it comes with an almost implied, You can’t imagine it, because that shit wouldn’t fly. She was finally just saying it, bluntly.'

One of the reasons I'm more positive on Hilary than most - apart from distance - is exactly because she's a hypocrite. Because she's the only candidate who really needs the black vote, which I'd guess is why she holds speeches like this.

she actually goes on to mention goals 40 and 41 so it's hard to know how many there in fact are. presumably, if elected, these will be enumerated in the new improved middle-school textbooks on a fiery red page at the back.

― shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:18 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xpNBs-km0&t=1m7s

ah, drat, start at 1:08.

how come that doesn't work on this site?

One of the reasons I'm more positive on Hilary than most - apart from distance - is exactly because she's a hypocrite.

Because Hilary is a terrible person who say or do anything to get elected, I support her.

finally a hypocrite politician, we have been waiting a long time for this

see, things like that Harlem speech make me start to love Hillary, but then... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/16/1486076/-Hillary-Clinton-is-spending-today-fundraising-from-bankers-capitalizing-on-the-housing-crisis

xp in context it's pretty clear what the person meant was "she needs our support, so she has to make promises to us, which we can then hold her to (or at least use as leverage to get something out of her)." That's a reasonable conclusion to reach, although I don't know if there's any history to back it up since she's never really "needed" any voting constituency before. So it's guesswork what she'd actually do in office.

I'm pretty sure evidence is thin on the ground that this kind of "leverage" has ever actually resulted in much demonstrable return for a constituency on any president's part.

Far more common to pay lip service to a constituency's concern while needing their vote and ignore them once in office. Unless that constituency is the Finance sector.

"she needs our support, so she has to make promises to us, which we can then hold her to (or at least use as leverage to get something out of her)."

she's hearing this at Wall St. today.

My read on the basic facts of the differences between Clinton and Sanders:

- Hillary Clinton is better than her detractors say she is and not as good as her evangelists say she is.
- Bernie Sanders is better than his detractors say he is and not as good as his evangelists say he is.
- The difference between them is one of approach rather than degree of sincerity.
- If your sympathies lie with either of their platforms but you refuse to vote for the other one in a general election should the primary not go your way, you are an idiot.

unless your November vote means jackjackjackshit, like in NY or MA

i generally agree w/ you, but i don't think that sanders and clinton share the same goals, near or long term

xpost

'xp in context it's pretty clear what the person meant was "she needs our support, so she has to make promises to us, which we can then hold her to (or at least use as leverage to get something out of her)."'

My point exactly. She'll need them again in 2016, though. She's going way beyond lip-service, afaict.

My read on the basic facts of the differences between Clinton and Sanders:

- Hillary Clinton is better than her detractors say she is and not as good as her evangelists say she is.
- Bernie Sanders is better than his detractors say he is and not as good as his evangelists say he is.
- The difference between them is one of approach rather than degree of sincerity.
- If your sympathies lie with either of their platforms but you refuse to vote for the other one in a general election should the primary not go your way, you are an idiot.

― its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:45 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure if I agree with your third point. Sanders' sincerity is pretty much impeccable, because he has stuck with the same views for so long even against long political odds, whereas Clinton's at least can be called into question -- it's possible to read her as a progressive at heart who just really believes in compromise and the system, and it's possible to read her as someone for whom the politics has overtaken or outstripped the progressiveness. I'm genuinely not sure.

authenticity, man!

Like "she's not as bad as any of the republicans" is an unassailable conclusion. What I don't know is whether she's actually now moved left of the DLC consensus on most economic issues or not.

FWIW, I feel like there are probably at least a handful of convicted murderers that aren't as bad as any of the republicans.

Not much of a fan of Hillary, but generally agreeing with DJP.

Most of the 125 billion in her weirdly named 'Breaking Every Barrier Agenda' seems aimed at 'underserved' communities, which seems almost a way of saying 'reparations' without saying it.

- The difference between them is one of approach rather than degree of sincerity.

I would agree with this if the difference you speak of is measured by outcomes, because those outcomes would depend on externals over which neither has much control. I do think that Sanders and Clinton have different visions of their eventual goals. I think Clinton does not look much beyond amelioration of current conditions and incremental changes to the existing economy, while Sanders would gladly remake our economy in fundamental ways, if he had the power (which, of course, he would not have).

i won't be looking too closely at HRC's polyurethane platform because i have come to believe every word of hers, as Mary McCarthy said of Lillian Hellman, is a lie including "and" and "the"*

*except for "Kissinger" "likes" "me"

Gov Haley to endorse Rubio!

ie here comes the Establishment

It's Pat invites Talking Yam to sue him

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/ted-cruz-donald-trump-marco-rubio-south-carolina/index.html

xpost to aimless

yeah, i agree. i think they have fundamentally different goals, but the uncertainty there points to a difference between them - i have a decent idea about sanders' fundamental values that drive his policies (even if he won't be able to come close with congressional opposition), whereas i can only guess at clinton's underlying goals. i can see her incremental short-term goals, sure. but say it was somehow magically possible for a new healthcare system to be created from scratch, and single payer was in reach. obviously sanders would support it. would clinton? beats me. when she's forced to talk about it she dismisses it because of the political hell that would be necessary to even attempt it, but i never get a feel for what she actually thinks about single payer. i dunno, i guess that's a bad example, but that's the general vibe i get with these two - sanders is more clear about what he actually wants, clinton is always calculating. that's a difference of approach, but it also puts a cloud over clinton's sincerity.