I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

i'm sorry, i'm just having a moment.

i hate mondays

It's OK, dawg.

Listen to something relaxing like The Life of Pablo.

if anyone needs me i'll be in my shack in the woods. just look for the barbwire GIF projection reflecting on the pond

I recommend the Android commercial with the dude playing the piano with all the keys restrung to the same note

karl i see what you mean, most of my cynicism stems from the bush era but i think bush was a pretty different beast than trump, he was seen as way more reasonable and likeable, trump is really more of a palin-type figure and like others have said i think an october disaster would only highlight his buffoonery even more especially against clinton

I mean, the so-called GOP establishment is panicking because they know Trump has cornered support but has little chance of persuading anyone else.

trump is not really palin-like except in maybe the demographic he appeals to. trump can only ever be trump.

Sharpton is quite good on Trump afaict.

trump is not really palin-like except in maybe the demographic he appeals to.

that's kind of what i meant, his supporting demographics are extremely limited

the thing about GWB was that he seemed so harmless and pitiable in a way that made you like him (unlike Jeb! where you just wanted someone to put him down.) And he did carry himself in a way that was not entirely horrible. he was probably more destructive that way, i guess. But Trump just seems like such a buffoon, I keep trying to imagine him giving a state of the union address and i can't do it.

I'm not particularly worried about Trump becoming president, in fact, odds are that he'll lose very badly. I just tend to read into these discussions an implication that a democratic nominee might as well snooze right through the election. Personally, I want them to capitalize on these very special circumstances and inflict as much pain on republicans as possible.

Trump certainly has a ceiling, but i would surmise it's much higher than Palin's.

also Republicans hate Hillary, sure, but I also think deep in their black hearts they know they aren't going to hate her as president nearly as much as they hated Obama. and maybe not as much as they'd hate Trump. i suspect they're kinda willing to let this election slide and hope for a better candidate in four years (or eight.)

the thing about GWB was that he seemed so harmless and pitiable in a way that made you like him (unlike Jeb! where you just wanted someone to put him down.) And he did carry himself in a way that was not entirely horrible.

are you kidding

Bush was a smug, cheap asswipe whom no amount of Trumps and Palins will improve.

Many Republicans who fought the impeachment wars have said they don't find Bubba as noxious anymore. Obama will look like Lincoln when President Warren runs for her second term.

are you kidding

Will gets snippy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-wrecks-the-gop-by-driving-the-campaign-conversation/2016/02/21/b4b6c5b2-d8d4-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

Putin's a buffoon in a very similar way, and I think that's part of Trump's appeal, as a guy who can be just as fiercely buffoonish.

hey i didn't like GWB at all. i'm just looking at it from a certain perspective and from what other people tell me. I also think, tbf, that ensuing republican candidates both failed and successful have made people like him more, retrospectively.

tbf Putin has actually had people murdered

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i've had other people tell me they "like" GWB, in a "get a beer with him" sense. idk.

I mean Putin is def cartoonish and a hyper-media-driven-Alphamale but he also knows where the bodies are buried. Trump is just a gasbag.

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Bush had had people murdered and smirked and giggled about it.

oh for sure. Obama (who passed their Romneycare and never really raised taxes) will be the "sensible moderate" they pine for in 20 years.

the Bubba love when he was stumping in 2012 from the GOP was hilarious. like, y'all remember he still killed Vince Foster or whatever, right?

see also MLK, Kennedy

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that all the GOP undecideds have broken heavily for anyone but trump seems to me solid evidence that he has a ceiling and his nomination would be disastrous for the gop

the markets like rubio more and more each day fwiw, which would certainly make for a less frightening, more amusing election

Donald Trump has been working in the construction industry in New York for 40 years. I would not be surprised at all to find out that he's had people murdered. Have none of you ever watched Law & Order?

the big three GOP candidates have such huge weaknesses. Cruz and Trump are maybe the ones who seem "strongest" because their bases are pretty rabid, but that's as far as they'd go imo. Rubio would appeal more widely but he's more a GOP Dukakis than a GOP Obama at this point.

I'll say it again: Rubio's a neocon wannabe with an imbecile's mien and a toddler's stammer

Dr. C. is right - it's not enough to have Alabamian yahoos in more of a froth than they already were. How does Trump flip EVs in safely blue states, including New York? He does not.

Telling Gallup you supported the sitting president in late 2001 is not the same as going into a booth and voting for a loony-ass wild-card because you think he'll be stronger in response to terror.

I don't recall the Paris attacks of Friday the 13th really budging USian politics at all (not that this is dispositive, it's just that it's the data point we have). The Fort Hood, San Bernardino, and Navy Yard shootings were spun as terror on our own shores, but I don't see that they changed anyone's mind about whom to vote for. They were red shirts waved by persons who were already primed for Trumpian politics.

yeah trump imagines himself berlusconi, not putin. i mean they're all politicians that trade on alpha-male tropes, no question, but that genuinely ice-cold KGB secret-keeper quality is really not available to trump.

fwiw, trump's numbers did go up after paris and san bernardino, but it was hard to read because they overlapped the month-long period of ben carson finishing himself off with all the pyramid stuff and related stories revealing that he was a fringey oddball, not the plainspoken commonsense savior of the party. trump got the people who gave up carson, and that's when he went up from 25% to 35%. where he's stayed basically ever since save for a big trough right after iowa.

ooh Berlusconi yeah, def a better European parallel

I like the Andrew Jackson comparison

Jackson actually fought in wars and shit!

Trump is a spoiled brat

Were any of these people ever as inconsistent and irresponsible in their public statements as trump?

Trump is just a salesperson who will smirk and tap dance and overpromise to close the sale, and let the buyer's remorse sink in later.

Were any of these people ever as inconsistent and irresponsible in their public statements as trump?

― Treeship, Monday, February 22, 2016 1

did you ever read Jackson's Twitter feed? Vile stuff.

@AndrewJackson

My enemies say Trail of Tears. By the Eternal, I'll make a Trail of Queers yet!

10:06 AM - 22 Feb 1831

good old reasonable, moderate Kasich:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-women-left-their-kitchens-me-when-i-first-ran-n523636

This is just nuts. Jeez, oh man.

Donald Trump has been working in the construction industry in New York for 40 years.

That's wars-and-shit right there!

Remember the good old days when "binders full of women" passed for a howler?

I think everyone itt is seriously underestimating Trump's appeal in the general. There are a ton of moderates and liberals who will vote for him but never admit it. Hillary vs. Trump is 50-50. Get ready!

He could win New York.

no

Schumer and Hilz have that state sewn up

There are definitely oddballs here and there who would vote for Trump for weird reasons, and there definitely are not enough of them to put Trump at 50-50 vs Hillary.

It'll be a lot closer than people think. And it'll be the best election of our lifetimes. No stone left unturned. We'll find out about Bill's current mistresses, Hillary's affair with Huma Abedin, Trump's mob ties, who knows what else... I can't wait!

obama won ny by 28 points in 2012 (a larger margin than in 2008)