I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

daniel patrick moynihan called for the CIA to be abolished a few times back in the 90s

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3gwPbrg40DNQRVFoaVbVk_hn9fkfGcFbi8ssiAnGU48JOtjWHkEhYKHxe_LFq4KObfriiC7R4vqeScmlvDQf72bBBA

^^^Well! Nightmares ahead

trump 52%
rubio 45
kasich 2
cruz 1

for the gop nom according to predictwise on the new cruz news

one of the few times i'd recommend the audiobook, it's amazing

Wonderful book I finished a couple weeks ago: http://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/10/book-review-devils-chessboard-david-talbot

Why is cruz so low in that poll?

it's not a poll, it's an agreggate of people betting money on the outcome

Give'em hell, Harry!

I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President.
I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility.
Of course, every President has available to him all the information gathered by the many intelligence agencies already in existence. The Departments of State, Defense, Commerce, Interior and others are constantly engaged in extensive information gathering and have done excellent work.
But their collective information reached the President all too frequently in conflicting conclusions. At times, the intelligence reports tended to be slanted to conform to established positions of a given department. This becomes confusing and what's worse, such intelligence is of little use to a President in reaching the right decisions.
Therefore, I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department "treatment" or interpretations.
I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating.
Since the responsibility for decision making was his—then he had to be sure that no information is kept from him for whatever reason at the discretion of any one department or agency, or that unpleasant facts be kept from him. There are always those who would want to shield a President from bad news or misjudgments to spare him from being "upset."
For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.

It's the New Ted Cruz News
Comin' right at you

I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it.

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in that document...

PEEEOOWWW

...lay the founding of POLITICO

correct me if i'm wrong but truman's own national security policy would have required constant global "intervention" and "police action" regardless of which american military or paramilitary body performed it, so continuing to support the nsc-68 worldview and diagnosis while simultaneously complaining about eisenhower using the cia operationally instead of sending america to war every time there was a colonial uprising is kind of lame. (idk what truman said late in life about cold war premises but i'd be surprised if it were interesting.)

yes and Eisenhower lamented the military industrial blah blah blah after unleashing the CIA on every American foe. These guys get presidential when they leave office.

Cruz fired his media guy today at Rubio's request:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/22/politics/rick-tyler-marco-rubio-video-apology/

The guy's been all over CNN the past few weeks.

And what's funnier is that Rubio's campaign is sticking the knife in further:

https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/701882028145246208

side note on that, is calling someone "a candidate willing to do or say anything to get elected" really as powerful a dig as candidates think it is? it is used all the time

well, it describes most of them

as a breed they are lower than whaleshit

u realize whaleshit is superexpensive and supervaluable right

https://babysharkminorityreport.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ambergris.pdf

i can't even see how trump can loose this nomination at this point, the convention and self-ignition of the GOP is going to be pretty amazing

It's the New Ted Cruz News
Comin' right at you

is that seriously a new zoo revue gag because if so KUDOS SIR

Squeeze! squeeze! squeeze! all the morning long; I squeezed that shit till I myself almost melted into it; I squeezed that shit till a strange sort of insanity came over me; and I found myself unwittingly squeezing my co-laborers’ hands in it, mistaking their hands for the gentle globules. Such an abounding, affectionate, friendly, loving feeling did this avocation beget; that at last I was continually squeezing their hands, and looking up into their eyes sentimentally; as much as to say,- Oh! my dear fellow beings, why should we longer cherish any social acerbities, or know the slightest ill-humor or envy! Come; let us squeeze hands all round; nay, let us all squeeze ourselves into each other; let us squeeze ourselves universally into the very milk and shit of kindness.

side note on that, is calling someone "a candidate willing to do or say anything to get elected" really as powerful a dig as candidates think it is? it is used all the time

― marcos, Monday, February 22, 2016 5:52 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, it describes most of them

as a breed they are lower than whaleshit

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, February 22, 2016 5:54 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

absolutely, it just seems like a phrase used by anyone running for like any office from junior high class president to POTUS and i think only people running for an office seem to think it is a potent insult

it's their way of claiming they have principles

Bernie seems to have some scruples

to compensate for no hair

this is tabloid shit but i really, sincerely hope we do not see trump use a homophobic slur on stage in attacking rubio

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/02/marco-rubio-gay/

that said, trump savaging rubio will be pretty nasty

tweet it at Trump, maybe you'll get lucky

trump hasn't really spoken out on any GLBT issues, has he? I can't imagine what he'd say, honestly. Part of me thinks he'd purposefully rile up the base and throw them some nice homophobia but he's so inconsistent and incoherent i could just as easily see him saying he has lots of gay friends and that they're terrific

Trump will be busy with Rubio's eligibility to run for the next few days. He'll get to the gay rumor in due course.

if it becomes certain trump is going to win the nomination it might make sense for the party to kick him out anyway, despite the near guarantee that he'll run independent. at least it would help protect down ticket republicans - rep voters who would've voted dem rather than trump will still vote for a rep potus loser along with his ticket. trump voters will still need to pick a slate and it's likely to be rep.

I dont envision trump saying super homophobic stuff but who knows.

i imagine trump as the kind of straight who splits compositional hairs as to what kind of gay's respectable

Trump will say anything to get elected, so I wouldn't be surprised if he targets Rubio's supposed gay past but frames it as an issue of dishonesty/cowardice/untrustworthiness etc.

despite the near guarantee that he'll run independent.

there's balloting laws in place that would make it very difficult for him to do at this point, he's almost too far down the GOP nomination path. The closer he gets to it, the harder it would be for him to run third party.

i imagine trump as the kind of straight who splits compositional hairs as to what kind of gay's respectable

to a table of guffawing sycophants

Bizarre: Kasich is on CNN right now, getting an apology for his kitchen comment dragged out of him by Wolf Blitzer. Trump is living in one universe, everyone else another. (I don't want to end up apologizing myself, but I took it as a relatively innocuous acknowledgement that the majority of women weren't yet in the workforce in 1978--in his own clumsy way, I think it was intended as praise.)

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/herman/reports/futurework/report/chapter3/chart3-1.gif

is that seriously a new zoo revue gag because if so KUDOS SIR

Too much MST3K, actually

yeah kasich's "kitchen" comment is clumsy/dumb but way way less offensive than his signing the bill defunding planned parenthood in ohio, which prompted the question which prompted the kitchen comment. is blitzer asking him about that?

an ostentation of peacocks
a murder of crows
a guffawing of sycophants

"Well, when I'm with a homosexual, I get a little homosexual," Trump said. "To make them feel at home, you see."

heh

I have worked with many homosexuals, the best! Many of my closest friends are homosexuals, beautiful, hard working people.

(xposts) Didn't know the full context of Kasich's comment..Just pointing out the disconnect: Kasich and everyone else are operating on standard time--say something someone objects to, renounce/retract/repudiate--while Trump is several time zones into the future. I'm not sure if anyone even bothers going through the apology drill with him anymore.

This is good--you could say the same of 20 other shows, though, including every one on Sunday morning. (Sorry if this was posted earlier today.)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gingrich-fox-and-friends-invented-trump

Actually, you could say the same of Gingrich in 2012.

the lowest form of pol is someone who will say anything to get elected without doing some polling first

it's a mad mad MAD mad world!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/22/christie-campaign-sells-email-list-of-supporters-donors-to-rubio-report-says/

This is great when they use the real voices (the impressions are lousy)--skipping-CD Rubio's my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CHQlZiJ8YM&list=PLCF4E9612CFF6AD62