Lucifer

The CW DC shows are all dumb, fun junk. I watch them all, but they could be cancelled tomorrow and I'd be like "oh, well".

I loved the first season of Flash and really wanted to like the second but it just isn't nearly in the same league. The Earth-2 stuff has been REALLY dull. The Turtle should have been great but... wasn't. Give me Gorilla City FFS.

All that Legends of Tomorrow really has going for it is the Captain Cold/Heatwave buddy comedy. Also Martin Stein is pretty funny.

Arrow is unremittingly bad this season, the Damien Darhk stuff is dreadful and the Hilary plot has just been totally pointless (given it looks like it's going to be completely undone by season end). Flashback this season is very poor.

Supergirl has potentially a goofy Silver Age/Romance Comics vibe to it but gets bogged down in FAMILY OH MY FAMILY shit far too freely. The Maxwell Lord stuff is just confused and too many great opportunities - bearing in mind this is a season which has had Red Tornado, Bizarro and a rip-off of For The Man Who Has Everything - have just been utterly wasted.

All of which, unexpectedly, makes iZombie probably the most successful DC show on at the moment. It's more than a little bloated; the main core plot could have been dispatched in 5-6 episodes but is still dragging on. It is, however, more often than not FUN (even if not that well acted, although probably at least as well as its peers).

Fuck me, I watch a lot of crappy telly.

I agree that the Hawks suck, but LoT does get somewhat better after the first couple of episodes, when it starts focusing more on the other characters. The dialogue is still as corny as in Flash and Arrow, and it doesn't have the silver age shenanigans that make Flash the most watchable of these series, but it's okay. I wouldn't mind it focusing just on Canary, Cold, and Heatwave, those three actors are clearly having the most fun with their roles. Stein does some decent Picard style scenery chewing, and the other three plus Savage are meh, though not actively annoying like the Hawks.

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It doesn't cease to amaze me how bad the writers of these DC shows are at writing normal human dialogue. I'm not expecting them to be Tarantino or anything, but when you compare them to how much more natural the characters in the Marvel TV shows sound, the difference is huge. Though I guess the Marvel shows have better actors too.

Though it can't be just the acting, since the Rip Hunter guy was perfectly fine in Dr. Who, as is the Jay Garrick dude in Masters of Sex.

I'm waiting to see a compilation of clips from the CW shows where two people are engaged in a conversation only to be joined by someone rounding the corner and seamlessly joining in as if they'd been there the whole time. I swezr this happens in every episode.

iZombie is a different class. Only watched the first three but it totally hits that Buffy/Veronica M vibe.

Agent Carter (or at least the 2nd season) I think is a genuinely very good (as opposed to "good enough") show.