I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

it's going to happen. dems have been bigger idiots than reps this election by like a million miles. they've talked themselves into believing that 'old white guy with empty promises' represents a real political revolution, and on the other hand have managed to paint their own 'potential first woman president in us history' as worse than hitler. meanwhile every time trump says something that you think should end his candidacy... really, where do y'all think this is going?

― • (sleepingbag), Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:48 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah I can't believe they made their own evil-down-to-her-last-atom rapacious lying war criminal candidate look bad... How did the bunglemaniacs at the DNC screw that up so bad, it was supposed to be her time!!!

you think all the lefty people aren't going to be totally fucking freaked out at the prospect of a Trump presidency enough to vote, that's nuts.

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bernie + hillary fans are not.

― • (sleepingbag), Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh i don't tihnk this is true, 2008 dem primary season was way more divisive and embittered than this one and it didn't affect obama at all when it came time for democrats to show up to vote

All the leftie's living in one of Trump's North Dakota gulags in 2018 so mad that they let the vicious smearing of Hilary get out of hand

your question applies to every candidate equally.

and no, it does not. Hillary polls really well w latinos and blacks, she has the means to turn out those votes for her, and she *needs* them. Trump does too, but his problem is they hate his fucking guts, he's already burned that bridge.

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and marcos otm, this Dem primary season has been *way* less divisive than 2008. The main difference between 2008 and 2012 on their side is that neither candidate is even close to the starpower of Obama (which is def a problem).

your question applies to every candidate equally.

and no, it does not. Hillary polls really well w latinos and blacks, she has the means to turn out those votes for her, and she *needs* them. Trump does too, but his problem is they hate his fucking guts, he's already burned that bridge.

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― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:29 PM (29 seconds ago)

no man sleepingbag is right, hispanics are totally gonna stay home to not vote against the guy who's been campaigning on deporting them and building a wall on the border

Really, most of the Trump dem handwringing I've seen so far has just been excuses to explain why Sanders is the only hope. The key phrase from the Current Affair article is this one 'everything about the electability calculus has changed, due to one simple fact: Donald Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee for President.' This is untrue, of course. Why wouldn't Trump be able to say bad things about Sanders?

The argument is that the things Trump could say about Clinton could stick more and do more damage. The things he could say about Sanders are mostly things that Sanders says about himself or that he would be happy to debate, unless there are others you can think of. The author at least gives examples.

maybe it's just that reality television stars and businesspeople connect w/ the citizens of the US in a far more important + intimate way than any politician in 2016 in which case neither sanders nor clinton have a chance and the dnc should probably run kim kardashian

republicans will turn out for trump due to their actual ideology, when all is said and done: the government can and should be run like a business

I think Trump is a way better politician than your average business person or celebrity. xp

ok y'all. good luck ignoring the rest of all of the things that happen this political season! xps to everyone

The way Sanders looks. His age. That he gets easily mad. Waves his hands in a silly manner. Really, Trump is a born bully, him coming up with shit to say about people usually isn't a problem.

Also, Hillary is quite popular with democrats. Shocking, I know.

I don't think you know how bullying works, sund4e. If so, you're lucky.

but do you know how BUSINESS works

Also, Hillary is quite popular with democrats. Shocking, I know.

I'm not convinced that her track record is bearing this out.

Making fun of Sanders's looks and mannerisms seems less likely to stick to me than going after Clinton for being corrupt, voting for war in Iraq, her husband's transgressions, etc. but I don't always gauge public opinion very well.

ok y'all. good luck ignoring the rest of all of the things that happen this political season!

lol. amazed you think minority voters are gonna stay home this election and/or vote for Trump. what are you basing that on?

sund4e? Sub Morbz at best

Trump would go after Sanders for not understanding how business works, unlike all the "good" Jews

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Trump is going to try to jump up and down on either Sanders or Clinton. If it's Sanders, it will look to people unfavorable to him like he's jumping up and down on an old man. If it's Clinton, it will look to people unfavorable to him like he's jumping up and down on a woman. I have very little faith in the citizens of this country and their ability to do the right thing but I do believe that once Trump needs to court the votes of the people who do not already identify with the more blatantly racist, exclusionist party, his current rhetoric is not going to win him any favors and any pivots he makes will be in such contrast to the contemptuous display he's put on so far in the primaries that there's going to be a strong disconnect in brand for a good chunk of people, PARTICULARLY the minority populations that exist in the states it's most important for Trump to carry in order to win.

Could Trump become President? Sure. So could I, and Trump is much closer than I am, but I'm not putting money on either of us.

Sanders knows exactly how business works he just doesn't like it!

Hillary polls really well w latinos and blacks, she has the means to turn out those votes for her, and she *needs* them. Trump does too, but his problem is they hate his fucking guts, he's already burned that bridge.

^^^ this. Waiting to see Trump meet with Trayvon Martin's mom.

Nice letter, sleepingbag http://correctrecord.org/an-open-letter-to-senator-bernie-sanders/

Waiting to see Trump meet with Trayvon Martin's mom.

meanwhile: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/antonio-french-joins-hillary-clinton-s-presidential-campaign/article_651d40f4-db37-5b5b-a272-c1dd31b61200.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

aaaaand should Trump meet with the victims of police shootings he'd piss off the segment voting for him that thinks we're too PC.

Sanders knows exactly how business works he just doesn't like it!

eh that's not how Trump would spin it

Making fun of Sanders's looks and mannerisms seems less likely to stick to me than going after Clinton for being corrupt,

trump doesn't look so great either

"Bernie Sanders does not understand Wall Street." - Donald Trump

Sanders could put that on a billboard.

Trump has proven to be an extremely talented dog whistler, and both Sanders and Clinton have plenty to "hit".

xps Yes, that's one of the reasons why, Treeship.

Trump would go after Sanders for not understanding how business works, unlike all the "good" Jews

i've been wondering if he'd use sanders relative lack of religious faith against him esp if he can point to religious jews that he's related to

Nice letter, sleepingbag http://correctrecord.org/an-open-letter-to-senator-bernie-sanders/

― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:41 PM (4 minutes ago)

sometimes i pass the time on twitter just looking at these peoples tweets and wondering if they have a shred of self-respect or what they tell themselves

Trumps attacks aren't really political, they're all about the personal. Jeb! is weak, and his mom has to save him. Cruz is a liar, just a born liar, just... and also born in Canada. Rubio, he must be born in Cuba, right? So he won't attack either Sanders or Clinton on their policies.

The two times it has come close to backfiring has been with Megyn Kelly and Carly Fiorina, right? When he does it to a woman 1) they're more unfazed, as they've dealt with this shit all their lives 2) it plays more badly to the general public. With Jeb it's sorta, kinda funny, you can base an SNL skit around how hapless he is in dealing with it. Misogynistic abuse won't be laughed at in the same way.

That's a fair point, Frederik.

kind of surprised we haven't seen more Candian Cruz stuff. i mean, Trump really went to the mat with his Obama birther campaign a few years back. hiring a crack team of P.I.s who "found some very, very interesting stuff, yuge stuff".

I agree w that. Gaming out how personal attacks on Hillary will go (and it's true, these are really the only kind of attacks Trump gets mileage out of) is a little difficult. They may appeal to mouthbreathers that already are inclined to hate her, but it's gonna be pretty off-putting to everyone else. Probably.

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Chomsky on Trump's rise:

People feel isolated, helpless, victim of powerful forces that they do not understand and cannot influence. It's interesting to compare the situation in the ‘30s, which I'm old enough to remember. Objectively, poverty and suffering were far greater. But even among poor working people and the unemployed, there was a sense of hope that is lacking now, in large part because of the growth of a militant labor movement and also the existence of political organizations outside the mainstream.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/noam-chomsky-we-owe-rise-trump-fear-and-breakdown-society

The call was for members of The GROUP, a secretive cabal of prominent conservatives led by the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins and the Senate Conservatives Fund’s Ken Cuccinelli.

this is *awesome*

there's nothing he has to find - there's a very obv constitutional challenge to cruz' eligibility, it would go to the courts. it would be funny if a newly left-wing supreme court ended up allowing cruz to run out of the principle of expanding the meaning of "natural born citizen." it would be funnier if cruz was the republican party's last chance to beat trump and a lower court ruled that cruz was not eligible and then it went to an evenly split supreme court bc republicans refused to vote on obama's candidate and was sent back to the lower court.

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xpost Trump is probably smart enough to know to attack Clinton in terms of corruption and untrustworthiness.

i think there is a suit against cruz right now that he's trying to get thrown out

yup

Cruz doesn't need help with looking ridiculous and unappealing

there's nothing he has to find

true. just figured we'd get more of him flogging it out on the trail. he's obv mentioned it a few times but hasn't gone full-tilt Trump-style with it.

maybe he feels he doesn't need to

damn it the one time he exercises restraint...

Trump will use it if Cruz gets momentum, he did it before after he won in Iowa

"But even among poor working people and the unemployed, there was a sense of hope that is lacking now, in large part because of the growth of a militant labor movement and also the existence of political organizations outside the mainstream."

Huh?

are you familiar with the '30s, labor unions, and the Old Left?