I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

because they've said teh same things themselves

I guess a woman voting for Trump is kinda like saying "yeah, fuck you, me!!!!"

somehow none of the rival GOP campaigns looked into any of this? malpractice

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-said-a-lot-of-gross-things-about-women-on-howar

― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Saturday, February 27, 2016 1:53 PM (8 minutes ago)

why would this matter

are you kidding? their candidates don't go on radio shows and say these kinds of things. they most certainly vote against women's rights as we all know but they don't go on the radio and rate women's bodies on a 1-10 scale, no. this is not a normal kind of thing for someone running for national office

you guys really cannot comprehend that women voters might not think saying these things is nbd for someone running for president

i've got some bad news for you about the GOP base

i mean obviously it would probably (and rightfully) destroy him, along with about a hundred other things, in the general election, particularly against hillary

He already called the potential Democratic Presidential candidate "disgusting" because she was a lady who had the audacity to use the restroom during the Democratic debate, and implied she was probably taking a dump to his cheering, laughing crowd which was full of women.

hell look at the sexist stuff he's said to Megan Kelly, it's not on the HOward Stern level of disgust, but it appalled many female GOP voters, but seemingly not the women who were already voting for him.

what fraction of early GOP primary voters are women? what fraction are people who will actively vote against anyone who is or (is perceived to be) courting the women's votes?

of course in the general this will be different and that kind of stuff will get more attention, especially if hillary gets the nom.

there are also those women (like their male counterparts in the Trump camp) who hate Muslims, non-Christians, and foreigners so much that they'll say "hey, he was younger and angrier" before their afternoon Alex Jones FAP session.

anecdotal but #NeverTrump has been the top trend on twitter for awhile and it's driven by conservatives

it's crazy to me that the rival GOP campaigns have hardly attacked him at all so far, everyone just assuming he'd go away by now i suppose. stuff like the crass, extremely offensive audio clips from the stern show have to be barely scratching the surface of the available damaging material

prob many of them just don't follow politics or pay much attention to the news and think he's a successful business guy who gets things done, basically. nobody's really made an effort to show them that trump's a con artist who is happy to rip off working people. that 'trump university' scam will be a thing, for one

it...won't

guy who owned beauty pageants EXPOSED for rating women on a 1-10 scale on the howard stern show, full story at 11

there has to be this frustration with figuring out to handle them, bc these candidates have to try to sell themselves and devoting time to attacking trump isn't going to make them look better. It makes them look worse, weaker, and gives no idea about who they are. Meanwhile trump is a candidate who is somehow selling himself via attacks on others, which wouldn't work for the other guys, and clearly defining the other candidates with those attacks.

I don't think it's gonna work with Clinton though.

Handle him*

This is your first warning, Nthal,. Next time "Alex Jones FAP session" appears in one of your posts, it will become a flagged post.

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“There is no mechanism,” Mr. Leavitt said. “There is no smoke-filled room. If there is, I’ve never seen it, nor do I know anyone who has. This is going to play out in the way that it will.”

I like that as part of the human condition, we continually insist to ourselves that Shit Can't Get That Bad and that eventually the Adults will step in. It's kinda the same thought process that keeps conspiracy theories perculating up.

k3v is your position basically that trump is unstoppable?

to get the nomination? it's looking that way, no?

unless someone gets a really, really big anvil

my position is that people who think he's going to be brought down by past instances of his being politically incorrect and rude being dug up very seriously misunderstand the very basis for his appeal in the first place

i think he would be stoppable if the RNC or party establishment could exert some control over the rest of the candidates, convincing them to drop out so support could coalesce around a single non-trump candidate (like rubio). but did you read that NYT piece this morning? it is a complete shitshow, these people have no control and the candidates are too prideful and/or selfish to drop out for the good of the party. and tbh, i will happily watch as the republican party burns itself to the ground

I felt like when he went after McCain with the POW stuff and nothing happened we were in new territory

felt that waywhen McCain named Palin his vp candidate

We should be enjoying watching the best the GOP had to offer getting trampled by an Ebaumsworld sockpuppet

to get the nomination? it's looking that way, no?

I think a brokered convention is an inevitability. I think the party knows that he is in no way sympathetic to the actual party or its needs, and they will sabotage a potential Trump candidacy at the convention if Rubio's latest tack doesn't hold.

(xposts) Yes--and I'll say, yet again, that got a bit of a preview of that in 2012. Exactly the same: the RNC/party establishment wanted a smooth nomination for Romney, it was anything but, and he got stuck fighting off a bunch of novelty-candidates who were too prideful and/or selfish to drop out. That time, the center held. (In the Yeats, not the political sense.)* This time, new territory.

*(I don't read Yeats in my spare time; I know that phrase from Nixon.)

i keep trying to read about the nominating process and how a brokered convention would go down, but as far as i understand it, the elected delegates (from the primaries and caucuses) are required to vote for trump on the first ballot, right? so if he wins a majority of the delegates, how can someone else be nominated?

Given the amount of "saying the quiet parts out loud" that has happened over the course of the Obama administration, I kind of agree that a contested convention is possible, if the GOP really decides it would rather keep its entrenched donor base than let Trump take the nomination. They very well might be tone deaf and careless enough to just show the whole world what they actually think of "democracy."

So "brokered convention" is an obsolete term because delegates are not dealt by brokers anymore. As you point out. A contested convention might be possible but really, after Tuesday, the only way that happens is if the RNC decides to fuck with the rules (and they very well might).

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

felt that waywhen McCain named Palin his vp candidate

But he got forced to take Palin by the GOP, right, since he wanted that Joementum as his running mate?

read "by the GOP" as "by GOD" the first time

http://www.brandindex.com/article/fox-news-hits-more-two-year-perception-low-republicans%E2%80%8B

delegates are not dealt by brokers anymore.

right. delegates can cut their own deals now.

only way that happens is if the RNC decides to fuck with the rules (and they very well might).

I think it's really unfair, if not downright unconstitutional, to have a controversial, divisive convention in an election year. The most fair solution would be to wait until the election is over, and then have a convention.

It would be great if Trump and Rubio both claimed to be the nominee afterwards

Lol

I know predictions are supposed to be anathema these days because Everything Is Different Now. But.

There will not be convention shenanigans. No, Trump will not have an absolute majority of votes, but he will have an inarguable plurality and by far the most delegates. Two almosts and two nevers can't unite to stop one big Fuck Yeah.

Unpledged delegates (and delegates pledged to minor candidates) can technically roam wither they will, but they won't. This isn't the age of muttonchop whiskers any more; smoke-filled back rooms are no longer tenable. If Trump has the lead in delegates, they will acquiesce and nominate him because the alternative is Epic Shitstorm.

Trump wouldn't need to run third party, all he would need to do is walk away, taking his millions of rabid idiots with him.

I have no idea how the GOP will handle a Trump-anointing convention, but p sure it won't be by nominating Rubio instead, going against the clear voice of the voters..

Perhaps McConnell will bring a live bear to the convention

I don't know what McConnell will do, but I think most GOP establishment pros will discover they have a previous engagement, and decline to attend.

Splinter party...the Nupublicanz

I can see them undermining democracy. Trump's lies are so brazen and blatant, they could make a case that he is simply unqualified to represent them. Shady, yeah, but the alternative is the Party is heretofore totally beholden to this Rush Limbaugh-like motherfucker, it's like a dog walks man situation

Some shit he says would probably be considered hate speech in some parts of Europe. "Obama is only letting in Muslim refugees, purposely excluding Christians." "The refugees are all young men, not families." "Muslims in America celebrated on 9/11 in mass numbers." It's not even dogwhistling. He's implying that Muslims are a clear and present danger, and lying blatantly to give this impression. It's so many bridges too far.

Maybe I am naive but I am shocked that this is happening, and shocked at Christie, who I always hated as a New Jersey native, but always took to be more of a heartless conservative than a racist demagogue.

heretofore totally beholden to this Rush Limbaugh-like motherfucker,

well, they've been beholden to the actual limbaugh for decades now....

christie is revealing that his driving emotion is spite, since i think he's endorsed trump to spite the party's leaders, who failed to fall in line behind him

It just sort of feels like the end of the world

when you consider that he's going to fail spectacularly and the democrats are going to make gains across the board, it really doesn't

Yeah, I'm pretty optimistic. The GOP is eating itself alive.