I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/704148954083012608

yeah but was that before the buzzfeed Howard stern bombshell or after?

xxp

At first I was all Wha?

http://i.imgur.com/MsfrM5X.jpg

But then I realized he was a Cornhusker guy.

The Drumpf filter has been very helpful this morning.

What buzzfeed bombshell?

i think he's making fun of the negligible effect of Trump's incendiary statements on Stern years ago that came up yesterday

mhn

“It’s scary,” South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, who has endorsed Rubio, said on ABC’s “This Week.” She added: “I think what he’ll do to the Republican Party is really make us question who we are and what we’re about. And that’s something we don’t want to see happen.”

lol suck it up

I think the Republican Party is long overdue for some self-assessment, not seeing at all how this is pejorative.

like hey you got this other really shitty candidate not too far away in Cruz

Yeah I'm not really shedding tears for who are Republicans being all like, "Yeah we wanted rowdy but not quite THIS rowdy."

erm, "for Republicans who are being all like"

like ffs you had a politician that talked about "legitimate" rape not that long ago - no TRUMP is a line too far?

hey guys BOB BARR

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42523/why-is-trump-successful/

like ffs you had a politician that talked about "legitimate" rape not that long ago - no TRUMP is a line too far?

― you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Monday, February 29, 2016 11:42 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

trump isn't too far because of incendiary comments, he's too far because he shed half the party's platform and won regardless

trump and trumpism is a mix of things that conservatives have stoked and enflamed over the years (anti-PC aggrieved tough talk, "MBA president") and a lot of things that the professional conservatism has tried to keep buried (explicit anti-immigrant stuff, isolationism, anti-semitism)

In a way, Trump is the personification of global warming: the unintended, catastrophic consequence for the many of bad faith short-term gains for the few.

He also blows a lot of hot air.

I think the Republican Party is long overdue for some self-assessment,

Didn't they explicitly do this after the Obama route? And then they ignored their own advice and went even further batshit, as if that were the problem. Though I guess to be fair, it's the batshit republicans who are the loudest problem, and they dragged the party to the right with them.

their self-assessment was way too circular though - like here was all this feedback from voters about what they hated about conservatism in 2012 and they kinda said "well how can we continue to offer the same shit but in a more palatable package" instead of saying 'y'know maybe we have to adapt a little'.

this is good http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-assume-conservatives-will-rally-behind-trump/

this is not http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/why-liberals-should-vote-for-marco-rubio/471444

that fucking magazine

first PA politician (a county commissioner) comes out for Trump:

“100%, I am a Trump guy, I tell it like it is, just like Trump. I am a little different though, you know, different hair smaller wallet. But people are frustrated…and they are in desperate need for somebody who is a voice for the people.

Just as I did during my election in 2015 and continue to do as public servant, Donald Trump embraces the title of ‘Outsider’ and ‘Common Sense Conservative.

The last thing we need is another Washington insider, Trump is refreshing. Like me, he is beholden to no one except the people. I am proud to support Donald Trump and look forward to helping him achieve victory in Pennsylvania."

Just watched the John Oliver bit, and I sort of want to write him a check out of relief.

I still haven't decided if I'm voting in the Democratic primary or the Republican primary. If I vote Republican, I'm voting Carson because he has zero chance of winning but getting enough votes could entice him to stay in the primary and both deplete his own resources and possibly suck a tiny bit of time away from Trump/Rubio/Cruz. If I vote in the Democratic primary, I am literally going to flip a coin.

enticing him to stay in for the lols?

as far as i can tell trump has 3 main sources of support, on the level of ideas/motivations:

1. relatively non-ideological (and irreligious) republicans & right-leaners: people who like a tough guy businessman, like him from his tv-shows, thing prez needs to "get things done," know washington is a black hole and think things need to be shaken up (kind of the dark inverse of obama's 08 "change" slogan, which revealed and concealed a lot). a lot of the party's "moderates" fall here

2. revenge: get back for 8 years of obama -- and make good on the insanity of right-wing media under obama. the anti-PC stuff, continual fears about islam, the other -- generalized need to have someone ~finally~ kick some liberal pansy ass, and the normal republicans on offer won't do it. "he's an asshole but he's our asshole," etc. they want to beat up the enemy, foreign and domestic. you see a lot of the louder conservative types starting to fall in line along these lines. pure backlash.

3. return of the repressed: immigration restriction has been kept off the table by the management end of the GOP, the Kochs, the "donor class". it was always waiting for someone to pick it up and run with it. this is the window through which the alt-right, white supremacist and other excluded far-right and old-right weirdos have come rushing back (his shit-talking of bush and the iraq war is crucial here - anti-neoconservatism)

trump is quick enough on his feet and untethered enough to reality, with a huge amount of fame to start with, to tie these all together pretty effectively

djp, the Revolution needs you

i was a total Trump guy for the GOP primary, but he clearly doesn't need my help. think i'm going to throw it to Cruz, who might actually be more unattractive against Hillary in the general than Trump.

enticing him to stay in for the lols?

not for the lols, more for the minuscule chance he could do something to hurt the actual frontrunners

however I will graciously accept any lols that come my way

djp, the Revolution needs you

The Revolution needs the entire country really, otherwise it's going to be Just Another Democratic Presidency (which, in and of itself, is a desirable thing IMO)

Robert Reich has endorsed Sanders. That's the obvious and logical endorsement, but good for him for following through rather than just angling for another Clinton cabinet post (he seems to have moved well beyond the political sphere the last decade or so anyway).

2. revenge: get back for 8 years of obama

yeah. like Eastwood reprimanding an empty chair at the GOP convention in '12 was some crazy old man shit, but certainly spoke to lots of people. i really think there's scary large segment of the population that harbor this delicious fantasy of Trump really giving it to That Boy on national television. i wouldn't be surprised if some think he'll actually get (and take) that opportunity on Jan 20 2017.

neocons for Hil, if necessary. I find the last sentence entirely plausible, because liberals have shown no prolonged or effectual objections to wars conducted with a "D" stamp on them.

Donald Trump’s runaway success in the GOP primaries so far is setting off alarm bells among neoconservatives who are worried he will not pursue the same bellicose foreign policy that has dominated Republican thinking for decades....

Max Boot, an unrepentant supporter of the Iraq war, wrote in the Weekly Standard that a “Trump presidency would represent the death knell of America as a great power,” citing, among other things, Trump’s objection to a large American troop presence in South Korea....

Even when Trump echoes certain elements of neoconservative orthodoxy – he repeatedly and emphatically calls for strengthening the military – he does so in a unique way. He talks not about spending more money but defying the “special interests” who make the Pentagon order “missiles they don’t want because of politics….Because the company that makes the missiles is a contributor.”

Jacob Heilbrunn, author of “They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons,” suggested in July 2014 that neoconservatives might be preparing to ally with Hillary Clinton.

With Trump’s ascendancy, it’s possible that the parties will re-orient their views on war and peace, with Trump moving the GOP to a more dovish direction and Clinton moving the Democrats towards greater support for war.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/29/neoconservatives-declare-war-on-donald-trump/

welcome to the 30s...

I personally think that Trump's support is mainly economically-motivated, perhaps based on faulty logic, but economically-motivated nonetheless. Middle class wages are stagnating and people are looking for scapegoats. Sanders offers up Wall Street which resonates with many people who lean liberal, but for those of a more conservative bent, immigrants and outsourcing seem like more likely culprits. Admittedly, many people are also tired of coastal liberal elites looking down at them and calling them racist because they don't like Obama or illegal immigrants, and Trump is vindication for those resentments as well. But I don't think he'd be anywhere without that core economic backdrop.

"people are frustrated…and they are in desperate need for somebody who is a voice for the people." Can someone please direct this guy to the Sanders campaign's donation page?

Trump, representing the little guy

By that I mean his penis

"We need a voice of the people, not some dirty Socialist!" <-- America in a nutshell

That's the irony of the thing- that a big-shot, New York businessman is the messenger of this outsider message. But Trump has rather brilliantly courted media outrage to position himself as the authentic scourge of the elites.

otm. it's very frustrating watching people (itt and elsewhere) fall back on the experienced comfort of comedy redneck words and joy at hill's supposedly inevitable victory. i'm p sure hillary's got it too but sorry i'm just not chill enough to remain sanguine at the sight of a right-wing populist who's anti-iraq, anti-bush, anti-nafta, anti-muslim, anti-black, anti-immigrant, and pro-domination running against the brittle, intervention-loving face of neoliberalism. this idea that the gop is doubling down on 2012-style dog-whistle-ornamented plutocratic paternalism just isn't true. trump is building a new american right and it's gonna last a long time unless people fight it and mocking its troops as stupid or demographically doomed is the opposite of fighting it. hard to satirize a guy in shiny boots.

that's a lot of hyphenates.

that otm was for o nate

"mocking its troops as stupid or demographically doomed is the opposite of fighting it"

otm

this is good http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-assume-conservatives-will-rally-behind-trump/

Feel like this article makes a good case for "significant numbers of Republicans may reject Trump" but ignores the possibility that significant numbers of Democrats may vote for Trump.

which Democrats?

angry, economically fucked white ones