Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

Douthat is such a pedantic nerd

Sorry that was xpost to will

They're not tearing into each other

Bernie's not, but his internet supporters... eh

the trump phenomenon has nothing to do with hard-line conservatism

A Berniebro triumphantly sent me a link this morning that showed that Bernie's support from black voters increased with improved name recognition but when you looked at the chart he was at 80% name recognition and only 20% support so I don't know how much more support he can wring out of those last 20% who don't know him yet.

where are all these modern-day Republicans in the mold of Eisenhower, Rockefeller and Roosevelt. Paul Ryan? Mitch McConnell? Marco Rubio?

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ciderpress otm, isn't that abundantly obvious given Trump's numerous heterodox statements?

where are all these modern-day Republicans in the mold of Eisenhower, Rockefeller and Roosevelt.

They're all Democrats now.

OBAMA (in b4 morbz)

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good morning guys, did i miss any enlightening posts about berniebros we personally know or have seen online?

an old-fashioned strain of moderate Republicanism that recalls Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and Nelson Rockefeller.

yeah honestly how many ppl like this are still GOP in 2016?

looks to me like basically the pro-entitlement, isolationist racists vs the rent-seeking plutocrats and the middle-managers who carry their water (also p racist afaict)

Liberal pundits are misinterpreting the Trump phenomenon all over the place. He doesn't fit their usual categories because in most elections the most dangerous candidate is also the most conservative one.

Teddy R's racism and Ike's bullying interventionism both seem alive and well if not "moderate"

Will otm

i just saw a 4-1/2 hr doc about the US and the Philippines (1900 and now) and Taft and Roosevelt were p close to genocial madmen.

*genocidal

BTW, what's up with the Oregon militia folks? I bet one of them would make a great VP candidate.

sure you've got your evangelicals, too. but at this point they more or less fall into the other two categories, partic the first.

you guys have to be praying for a Trump-Carson ticket i imagine

WWJD?

I thought it was gonna be Trump-Christie

Ugh, this person:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/271327-clinton-to-voter-why-dont-you-go-run-for-something

haha, another funny wavering josh marshall thing which will be 1/10th prophetic no matter what happens:

No, There Won't Be a Contested Convention

Numerous Republicans and pundits are now predicting a contested GOP convention. Everybody was noting last night that ... well, sure Trump is winning most of the primaries but delegates are distributed on a proportional basis so "not Trump" has more delegates than "Trump." So open convention, baby!

No. In this election, certainly anything - truly anything - is possible. Despite my headline, I would not even say that a contested convention is impossible. But this 'contested convention' talk is just a compressed phase of denial, bargaining and anger as GOP stakeholders rush to make sense of what's happening to them.

...There are probably many Republicans who would say that both in principle and in the long term interests of the Republican party this would still be better a better outcome. That's a strong argument. But that's a separate point. A 'stealing' contested convention could happen. But it almost certainly cedes the election to the Democrats.

The best thing to come out of the republican race is 73% of new jersey agreeing that chris christie sucks

otoh the ppl who would try that thinks DT's nomination cedes the election.

no, Christie for atty general xxp

arguing that whole "well the black vote just went to clinton because of name recognition and the fact that bill is southern" shit gtfo

i'm not gonna be the one to ask "what WERE the other reasons?"

for brevity, i cut out many paragraphs of him explaining that there are also many other possibilities which he has considered, and they may be in fact be possible, but not likely, that is, if certain factors play out as expected, which, of course, can never be predicted with full certainty.

weren't Christie's NJ numbers about the same a year ago?

They dipped below 30 for the first time yesterday

i want to watch josh marshall conduct a groundhog day ceremony and explain to bewildered children and exasperated grandparents the 8 to 10 scenarios that could play out if (or when? no, if) the groundhog doesn't see its shadow

kinda wish hillary would stop calling black women "dear", altho i guess maybe she calls everyone left of her that.

ie everyone she's likely to meet that she doesn't work with

what happens if Ike sticks his head out of the burrow and sees Trump's shadow instead

kinda wish hillary would stop calling black women "dear", altho i guess maybe she calls everyone left of her that.

― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour),

she looks like a classic fag hag, pretty sure she called Eisenhower "dear" too

i'm not gonna be the one to ask "what WERE the other reasons?"

they thought she'd make a better president?

Ugh, this person:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/271327-clinton-to-voter-why-dont-you-go-run-for-something

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 12:27 PM (5 minutes ago)

confronting a major candidate is a disaster waiting to happen like 95% of the time. you're not going to be more prepared than they are, especially hillary of all people

did she call him "dear"?

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the trump phenomenon has nothing to do with hard-line conservatism

This is partly true - the standard bearers of hardline purist conservativism are Buckleyite NRO types and George Will and shit, all of whom are appalled by gauche Le Trumpisme. However they historically counted on having millions of compliantly voting footsoldiers to keep their power. Part of their current meltdown is that they're up on their gleaming stallions, sabres in the air, saying "Let us ride, my jolly men, so that we may defeat the odious Foe!" Then they look back and see that their army is gone, mostly decamped for Trumptown.

Liberal pundits are misinterpreting the Trump phenomenon all over the place. He doesn't fit their usual categories because in most elections the most dangerous candidate is also the most conservative one.

This is true too. But none of those previous conservative boogeymen - Reagan, Buchanan, Gingrich, Santorum - could have gotten anywhere without a legion of compliant followers. Many of those followers are now lining up behind Trump. In prior years they were satisfied with a cup of koolaid; now they've all been handed a pint of Everclear and they're thrilled.

Liberal pundits may be misinterpreting the phenomenon candidate, but by and large it's still the same segment of the electorate. They're just more fed up and they're being reached and motivated differently.

i just saw a 4-1/2 hr doc about the US and the Philippines (1900 and now) and Taft and Roosevelt were p close to genocial madmen.

i just saw a 4-1/2 hr doc about the US and the Philippines (1900 and now) and Taft and Roosevelt were p close to genocial madmen.

What's this documentary called? I'm interested and "1900 and now Philippines" and variations isn't leading anywhere. thanks

the meltdown is that they thought the republican party was about X ("conservative values") but really it was about Y ("populist bigoted rage") and it turns out that those 2 things are no longer compatible. the whole thing was a balancing act to begin w/ but they can no longer keep the plates spinning.

re Bernie, i wonder if some version of the Erica Garner ad ran throughout the South, for starters (i imagine it must've?). Have any Sanders people spoken anonymously about where their outreach to A-A voters failed, cuz it seemed 3 weeks ago they knew it was the achilles heel.

Nice Mr. Taft as governor was a fan of Western justice.

confronting a major candidate is a disaster waiting to happen like 95% of the time. you're not going to be more prepared than they are, especially hillary of all people

― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:37 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol remember when the republican party desperately tried to win in '08 by spinning an unprepared dude/campaign plant who got gently schooled by obama as being a truthteller who zinged him hardcore

dsb, the film (second of two by the Emerson College prof John Gianvito) is Wake (Subic).

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/an-epic-of-understanding-john-gianvitos-wake-subic/

btw the Philippines Supreme Court just voted to let the US re-occupy its old military bases as "guests." Imperialism is a helluva drug.

the meltdown is that they thought the republican party was about X ("conservative values") but really it was about Y ("populist bigoted rage") and it turns out that those 2 things are no longer compatible. the whole thing was a balancing act to begin w/ but they can no longer keep the plates spinning.

― Mordy, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 11:43 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is correct but i think it could very well have been papered over with a better candidate, and could be again. it might be harder now that trump has yanked the pieces apart. but politics is a short-memory business.

the meltdown is that they thought the republican party was about X ("conservative values") but really it was about Y ("populist bigoted rage")

Agreed. My point is that both appeals are drawing from the same limited pool of voters.

Closest analogy I can think of (not that it's a perfect analogy) is if the management of Playboy were making an appeal along the lines of "OUR LOYAL READERS SUBSCRIBE FOR THE ARTICLES!" while the subscriber base is all like, "where the titties at?"

while the subscriber base is all like, "where the titties at?"

now extrapolate this to conservative politics and said in the voice of William F. Buckley, Jr.

lol @ Playboy analogy

gonna borrow that

did she call him "dear"?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

worth reposting: the moment trump told christie to go get his shinebox
https://vine.co/v/i6Ei3WPMBW6