Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

@ggreenwald
Liberals condescendingly underestimating political skills of adversaries (Ike, Reagan, W, now Trump) is a historical, enduring problem

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dlh otm

xp greenwald is right, but it's also right if you switch out the words "liberals" with conservatives

I overestimate his ability to woo people who wouldn't vote for him and whom he's treated like garbage. Ike, Reagan, and W didn't.

xp both sides misunderestimate the strengths of the other, and from what i've seen most liberals are taking trump pretty seriously at this point, more seriously than the republicans did 8 months before crunch-time

greenwald is an idiot who has done some things that even i'm impressed with

So "corporate" is a magic word like "privilege" now?

can't believe liberals are going to underestimate the appeal of the man currently destroying the GOP w/ his divisiveness

this is a helluva can of worms to open but there is a considerable portion of the united states (liberal and conservative alike) that are not going to vote for a woman for president under absolutely any circumstances and that reality should be part of the conversation

yeah i think trump's decimation of the republican field and particularly how he annihilated two of their future (now past) stars is going to help ensure the dems don't make the same mistakes

(Ike, Reagan, W, now Trump)

lol one of these guys is SOOOOO unlike the others, guess which one

RIP Dr. Carson. Long may you ride on your unicorn made of jellybeans, and long may the cluster of tumors in your brain remain benign.

xp i feel like that's got heavy overlap with trump's base though

was waiting for carson's message to conclude "to learn more about the future of our movement, please donate $50 or more to Ben Carson for America" etc etc

this is a helluva can of worms to open but there is a considerable portion of the united states (liberal and conservative alike) that are not going to vote for a woman for president under absolutely any circumstances and that reality should be part of the conversation

― ulysses, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 2:23 PM (55 seconds ago)

a venn diagram of these people and people who aren't voting den anyway is p much a circle

Reagan was treated as a troglodyte in 1979-1980 by press though. The difference is that he was a two-term governor and didn't talk like he wanted to cut your balls off when he ran for president (as governor was another matter; it's chilling how he spoke to protestors and their supporters).

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brb googling troglodyte

genuinely bummed that carson is dropping out

the fruit salad of his campaign was something to witness

yeah reagan's appeal as gov is not irrelevant to trump's at all.

kevin, i'm not positive that's the case? For a lot of southern/midwestern democrats, voting for a woman may be more difficult than voting for a black man.

as presidential candidates Reagan, Ike, Dubya all projected avuncular and congenial. Trump projects assholishness. Reagan, Ike, Dubya also all benefited from a united party and its attendant machinery. It's looking like Trump will not.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-02/republicans-wrestle-with-trump-after-dominant-super-tuesday-wins

"Mitt Romney will lay out his case for why Donald Trump shouldn't be the nominee of the Republican Party in a speech on Thursday in Utah, according to a source with knowledge of the remarks."

lol why are people still acting like Romney is a thing

it's ironic that in 2012 republicans were devastated by romney's loss because they were so terrified by another 4 years of tyranny under obama, when in fact the real loss was that it created an opening for trump to blow up their party in 2016

this is a helluva can of worms to open but there is a considerable portion of the united states (liberal and conservative alike) that are not going to vote for a woman for president under absolutely any circumstances and that reality should be part of the conversation

they said the same thing about obama and that turned out to mostly be bullshit iirc

We are not "White Supremacist." Never have been. We are identitarians and White Nationalists.

this is some People's Front of Judea level shit

lol one of these guys is SOOOOO unlike the others, guess which one

yeah very funny dingbat, they can have a commonality despite their overall lack of resemblance. Trump's "the Clintons came to my wedding cuz i gave em money" is still the highlight of his campaign.

So "corporate" is a magic word like "privilege" now?

or "Libya-debacle-enabling hawk".

assholish is the new avuncular
but srsly it's certainly a word that makes me reach for my revolver

and i think i saw that hillary won white male voters in southern states too (and plenty even in strong bernie states) so it's not like she's remotely toxic to dem voters. ppl who see bernie's challenge as a repudiation of hillary are, i think unfairly, underselling the attractiveness of him as a candidate + his policies.

For a lot of southern/midwestern democrats, voting for a woman may be more difficult than voting for a black man.

Maybe Southern, but: Tammy Baldwin, Amy Klobuchar, Heidi Heitkamp, Claire McCaskill, Debbie Stabenow etc. suggest midwestern Dems are fine with voting for women

based on what's happening this year I will be legit surprised if Ted Nugent and a bunch of radio and tv hosts don't run for the 2020 GOP nomination

Not at the debate, hope still survives, announcement on Friday... please please please be that's he's announcing he's Trump's VP.

Like, not with Trump's knowledge, because he didn't realise you have to ask.

Hey history-heads: who was the last presidential candidate to win their party's nomination without any prior political experience whatsoever?

eisenhower?

Eisenhower? GWB had very limited obv.

D'oh, beat to it. Twice.

of the two major parties, yeah Eisenhower

otoh eisenhower was governor of 1/4th of germany a while

depends how wide your definition of party is

did Morbz just go archie bunker on me

GWB was governor of Texas that's not exactly a spot on the local school board

what about grant? (I may be missing some major pre-presidency political career but iirc he just went from army to president)

question was about the last one

george washington?

grant, zachary taylor, and uh arguably washington all had no pre-presidential political experience

wilson also had very little experience -- he was only governor of new jersey for two years

Richard Nixon was a congressman and Veep when he was nominated in 1960 but the wraith-slug who took over his body in 1967 had little political experience outside of phone bank work.

Being the highest ranking general during a civil war is a political position.