Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

For the record, I put in that comment about spiteful Sanders supporters based entirely on people in my Facebook feed, a couple of which I am on the verge of muting/unfriending. More than one of them has opined that Clinton is a worse choice than Trump, which to my mind tells me that in a competition between the two, they would not have qualms about voting for Trump.

so, totally anecdotal and probably not statistically significant, but not imaginary

xpost That to me is just insane.

ftr I also have at least one friend who seems to fit that description

Like, vote for fucking Clinton and then spend all your time working harder to get people to her left elected to congress! What the fuck ...

I really want to know if all the anti Clinton absolutists really spend a minute more on politics than the presidential election every four years.

these people are not leftists.

i mean i don't know djp's facebook friends. but people willing to defect from bernie to trump are not morbs-style purists. they're angry.

flopson, where does the privatizing Soc Sec fit in with Fink, then?

As a resident of MA this Sanders supporter has the luxury of never having to vote for Hillary Clinton.

dude, Treeship that article is garbage.

It ends with: There is no chasm in the Republican Party, which directly contradicts the division he identifies a couple sentences earlier:
It is a party of white people that protects its richest members and feeds off the anxiety of its poorest members by directing their anger at minorities, immigrants and women.

^^^that's where the division is

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 4:07 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also the GOP revolt against Trump is very real, it's just that it's not exactly because the GOP is an anti-racist party, it's more that (1) Trump isn't actually that much of a conservative on a lot of issues, or at least it's not clear where he stands on them, and (2) the overt racism and buffoonery is alienating to a lot of people the GOP needs to win elections in the future. Basically he manages to damage the GOP brand and not actually support the principles its richest members support, all at the same time.

As a resident of MA this Sanders supporter has the luxury of never having to vote for Hillary Clinton.

my state has about 3 republicans in it so i share this luxury, but things are getting so fucking ugly it's feeling less satisfying by the day.

i wouldn't think anyone republican or democrat would try to privatize social securit againy, the last attempt was a complete disaster

people who voted for Sanders bcz of working-/middle-class rage who find that transferable to Trump are clearly not supporters BS would be proud of having.

of course.

Republicans without Trump on ticket would eliminate Social Security. No more chatter about privatizing

I would like to point out that I did not call these people leftists, nor did I say anything about what Sanders thinks of their support. I only mentioned them because a) they don't fit the profile of the majority of the people I know who are participating in the Democratic primaries/caucuses, and b) they are irrational actors whose behavior I don't think anyone can reasonably predict.

I would like to point out that I did not call these people leftists

oh nah i was talking to josh re: working to get people to hillary's left in congress.

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a4/6a/ea/a46aea802419103d4a4c30ad5667ed75.jpg

I believe my would-rather-have-Trump-than-Clinton Berniebro friend said something like "I'd rather burn this whole place down" fwiw, and I agree with DJP's profile

lol xp

"Fight Club" nihilism. Clearly they must live such sheltered, privileged lives that they've never experienced what it's like to live in a place that's truly been fucked.

HRC just wants to see the arid distant parts of the world burn

Not sure if linking this is going to work but:

https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/videos?fref=photo

Dammit.

^^^^ SEE!!! it's starting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qwM0qLjl8

LOL. It's this, the haunted face of Christie.

The wild card in this are spiteful Bernie supporters who are convinced that Hillary Clinton is a mewling she-devil and that voting for her is directly equivalent to voting for Ted Cruz, so they will either not vote if she's the nominee or, in more puzzling logic, vote for Trump because somehow currently being an unrepentant bigot bully is better than having advocated for things that hurt minorities in the past and saying "Based on how all of that turned out, I would not advocate those positions today."

If Clinton loses to Trump and it is blamed on Sanders supporters, that will be fucking classic. The entire Clinton campaign is predicated on the idea that Sanders "can't win" and that she can.

If Clinton loses, she should point her finger at the uninspiring, flip-flopping corporate, militaristic neocon in the goddamn mirror. Not at the tiny group of Clinton-hating lefties in our Facebook feeds.

Given all that, I'll still vote for her. :/

why would her hardcore supporters let the facts get in the way when they're the same people who've been braying the Nader bullshit for 16 years?

can't recall Mordy saying anything about Nader tbh

If Clinton loses to Trump and it is blamed on Sanders supporters

this is not going to happen, because Sanders will not run a third-party challenge

As far as the "establishment" is concerned, I have been involved in a civil rights / environment cause in my majority black community, and while we get frustrated with Obama, sometimes we forget how much more leverage we have with the Dems - any Dem. we're terrified right now because anyone who has far right goons policing his rallies is not someone who would pay any regard to about the civil rights community's relationship to Washington. I can't imagine that I would feel comfortable firing off a letter to the DOJ and getting a response, as I have done with Obama. Trump would be worse than Bush ever was, he has no respect for civil rights people at all, we'll have no influence whatsoever if we want something done. Someone who is outside the "establishment" is not beholden to political norms. Trump wouldn't even have to be nice to the black community or listen to them.

Trump? Trump? Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJgvzTti990

I want to punch Stein in his scaly reptilian face sometimes

where ya been Losted?

xxp

lol @ Ben Stein "Economist"

btw Trump has the Secret Service policing his rallies now

don't all the candidates get secret service details

they're protecting the crowd from Trump

Shakey, you don't understand, the entitlement of the most brainwashed Democrats now extends to "deserving" the votes of nonvoters.

Bernie is helping Hillary. He has pointed out, truthfully, how she is tied to wall street because fighting entrenched interests is the centerpiece of his campaign. Other than that he is not criticizing her about the emails or doing anything else to paint her as a nefarious, untrustworthy person. Berniebros aside, he has been very careful about not damaging her in the general and I don't think he gets enough credit.

The extension of this primary makes the dems look good/civil, and keeps the republicans from totally stealing the stage. If hillary loses it is absolutely not due to bernie or his supporters. Quite the opposite.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/L1R5WwcOve8/hqdefault.jpg

(re: Christie's face)

Trump has had SecService protection since November... the legal details of ejecting BLM protestors from a DT rally by the police in GA on Monday is illuminating:

As journalist Dahlia Lithwick and First Amendment lawyer Raymond Vasvari observed in 2012, when the federal law on trespass was quietly amended by H.R. 347 — to make it a crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, “to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” in locations guarded by the Secret Service, including places where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located — the new statute made it “easier for the government to criminalize protest.”

What that means in practice is that campaign rallies for Donald Trump, who was granted Secret Service protection in November, and Hillary Clinton, who will be guarded for life as a former first lady, are the very opposite of free speech zones under federal law. (The restrictions also apply to all appearances by former presidents and first ladies, as well as those of two other candidates, Bernie Sanders and Ben Carson, who are currently protected by the service.)

Another problem, as Gabe Rottman, a policy adviser for the ACLU, explained in 2012, is that the amended law “could be misused as part of a larger move by the Secret Service and others to suppress lawful protest by relegating it to particular locations at a public event.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/now-hes-guarded-secret-service-federal-law-criminalizes-protesting-trump/

One thing thats interesting about christie is that he seems like enough of a human being that you can imagine him feeling shame or disgrace. I don't think that's true of everyone in the republican field.

Christie is positively stuffed chockfull of shame and disgrace

it's his creamy filling

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/IsaacChristie.png

xpost welp I wasn't gonna finish that tuna salad anyway