Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qwM0qLjl8

LOL. It's this, the haunted face of Christie.

The wild card in this are spiteful Bernie supporters who are convinced that Hillary Clinton is a mewling she-devil and that voting for her is directly equivalent to voting for Ted Cruz, so they will either not vote if she's the nominee or, in more puzzling logic, vote for Trump because somehow currently being an unrepentant bigot bully is better than having advocated for things that hurt minorities in the past and saying "Based on how all of that turned out, I would not advocate those positions today."

If Clinton loses to Trump and it is blamed on Sanders supporters, that will be fucking classic. The entire Clinton campaign is predicated on the idea that Sanders "can't win" and that she can.

If Clinton loses, she should point her finger at the uninspiring, flip-flopping corporate, militaristic neocon in the goddamn mirror. Not at the tiny group of Clinton-hating lefties in our Facebook feeds.

Given all that, I'll still vote for her. :/

why would her hardcore supporters let the facts get in the way when they're the same people who've been braying the Nader bullshit for 16 years?

can't recall Mordy saying anything about Nader tbh

If Clinton loses to Trump and it is blamed on Sanders supporters

this is not going to happen, because Sanders will not run a third-party challenge

As far as the "establishment" is concerned, I have been involved in a civil rights / environment cause in my majority black community, and while we get frustrated with Obama, sometimes we forget how much more leverage we have with the Dems - any Dem. we're terrified right now because anyone who has far right goons policing his rallies is not someone who would pay any regard to about the civil rights community's relationship to Washington. I can't imagine that I would feel comfortable firing off a letter to the DOJ and getting a response, as I have done with Obama. Trump would be worse than Bush ever was, he has no respect for civil rights people at all, we'll have no influence whatsoever if we want something done. Someone who is outside the "establishment" is not beholden to political norms. Trump wouldn't even have to be nice to the black community or listen to them.

Trump? Trump? Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJgvzTti990

I want to punch Stein in his scaly reptilian face sometimes

where ya been Losted?

xxp

lol @ Ben Stein "Economist"

btw Trump has the Secret Service policing his rallies now

don't all the candidates get secret service details

they're protecting the crowd from Trump

Shakey, you don't understand, the entitlement of the most brainwashed Democrats now extends to "deserving" the votes of nonvoters.

Bernie is helping Hillary. He has pointed out, truthfully, how she is tied to wall street because fighting entrenched interests is the centerpiece of his campaign. Other than that he is not criticizing her about the emails or doing anything else to paint her as a nefarious, untrustworthy person. Berniebros aside, he has been very careful about not damaging her in the general and I don't think he gets enough credit.

The extension of this primary makes the dems look good/civil, and keeps the republicans from totally stealing the stage. If hillary loses it is absolutely not due to bernie or his supporters. Quite the opposite.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/L1R5WwcOve8/hqdefault.jpg

(re: Christie's face)

Trump has had SecService protection since November... the legal details of ejecting BLM protestors from a DT rally by the police in GA on Monday is illuminating:

As journalist Dahlia Lithwick and First Amendment lawyer Raymond Vasvari observed in 2012, when the federal law on trespass was quietly amended by H.R. 347 — to make it a crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, “to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” in locations guarded by the Secret Service, including places where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located — the new statute made it “easier for the government to criminalize protest.”

What that means in practice is that campaign rallies for Donald Trump, who was granted Secret Service protection in November, and Hillary Clinton, who will be guarded for life as a former first lady, are the very opposite of free speech zones under federal law. (The restrictions also apply to all appearances by former presidents and first ladies, as well as those of two other candidates, Bernie Sanders and Ben Carson, who are currently protected by the service.)

Another problem, as Gabe Rottman, a policy adviser for the ACLU, explained in 2012, is that the amended law “could be misused as part of a larger move by the Secret Service and others to suppress lawful protest by relegating it to particular locations at a public event.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/now-hes-guarded-secret-service-federal-law-criminalizes-protesting-trump/

One thing thats interesting about christie is that he seems like enough of a human being that you can imagine him feeling shame or disgrace. I don't think that's true of everyone in the republican field.

Christie is positively stuffed chockfull of shame and disgrace

it's his creamy filling

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/IsaacChristie.png

xpost welp I wasn't gonna finish that tuna salad anyway

lol

lol @ Ben Stein "Economist"

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:47 PM (17 minutes ago)

i was just going to post this. does having an undergraduate degree in econ really make one an "economist"?

he had a TV show about money! must know what he's talking about

DJP otm way upthread; Treeship also otm. Sanders has been pretty classy all the way and I wish more Clinton supporters would notice and say so. I certainly have.

this is otm:

Cruz’s strategy of activating movement conservatives, on the other hand, has failed in states across the South, where Trump peeled away evangelicals. Trump is winning on Cruz’s turf. Instead of proving that there is a wave of ideologically motivated far-right conservatives ready to wash across the country, Cruz’s campaign seems to have proven that much of the GOP base is shallow, motivated not so much by ideology as petty identity politics, rhetoric and personality.

lol @ Rubio getting absolutely zero mileage out of winning MN. I haven't seen a single piece doing more than acknowledge it in passing. Still don't get why he won there, of all places.

he had a TV show about money! must know what he's talking about

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:06 PM

Guys, Reagan had a degree in economics.

xpost cos his name sounds the funniest when native Sotans say it

Sotos too

lol @ Rubio getting absolutely zero mileage out of winning MN. I haven't seen a single piece doing more than acknowledge it in passing. Still don't get why he won there, of all places.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:16 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people up here across the political spectrum are sticklers for uprightness and have a preference for calm and good order

rubio haters on the right are already joking about the "mondale map" which is a frustratingly wrong comparison but eh

people up here across the political spectrum are sticklers for uprightness and have a preference for calm and good order

Yeah I saw people baffling about Rubio winning MN on TV last night and it made perfect sense to me - in my experience northern midwestern folk have a low tolerance for loudmouth assholes and ostentatious public displays.

so why then do they turn to Rubio?

It was him or Carson...

Look who's defending Trump: http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-not-long-killed-trump-rally-article-1.2549868?cid=bitly

Whatever you do politically this year, please help keep this guy away from the White House.

Christie's shame is he knows Springsteen is watching and he let him down again

It was him or Carson...

― nickn, Wednesday, March 2, 2016

I mean, no way I can look at Rubio and see the sober, thoughtful, English-speaking nominee these people did.

Here's what the NYT wrote in their first encounter with Hitler in 1922, and it is very familiar:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonostrower/status/705171149022433280/photo/1

agreed wrt Rubio. can't believe he's become the"sober" choice. he is a fucking goofball.

royaume des aveugles

chris christie has a li'l of this going on

https://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/caldwell.jpg

xpost well you go with what you have - the only way for this generation of Republicans to churn out a warm, well-spoken, cordial candidate is if they turned to exhumation

u.m.s.: I think Springsteen is a pretty forgiving dude. I predict he and Christie will hug it out when this is all over.

Springsteen understands regret, cf. all his songs I can think of rn

uh oh, looks like Rubio made dad mad:

Fox News’ top brass has given up hope on the presidential campaign of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), according to a Wednesday New York Magazine report.

The report cites three anonymous Fox sources who said network chairman Roger Ailes told people he's lost faith in Rubio’s ability to secure the Republican nomination after disappointing returns in early primaries and caucuses.

Rubio secured his first win in Minnesota on Super Tuesday, while top rivals Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Donald Trump so far have won four and 10 contests, respectively.

“We’re finished with Rubio,” Ailes allegedly told an unnamed Fox host, according to the report. "We can't do the Rubio thing anymore."

Lose Miley Cyrus, pick up Herman Cain--it's all good.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/herman-cain-republicans-who-dont-back-nominee-trump-are-absolutely-insane/