Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

In the off chance there were actually a Jewish president, even an anti bank president, I have no idea what the crazies will say or do. After all, Obama is only a secret Muslim Communist.

a lot of contemporary Nazis believe that Muslim (and Latin American) immigration is a Jewish plot to water down the white gene pool - they then contrast this with Israel where many Jews have a strong attachment to limiting intermarriage and so they conclude that the Jews want to keep their gene pool clean + pure while dirtying the white ppl. (obv this is insane for many reasons not least of which is that Jewishness is not racially determined and comes in many colors/ethnic groups/races but these are also ppl who believe that calling Jews Khazars is some kind of trump card.)

I’m a patriotic socialist, but my strong-borders patriotism wins over my socialism if I have to choose.

strong borders with ... Austria? Poland?

classic male science academic language and ideas there. worried i may even know him.

and yes i keep thinking that even if trump loses there are going to be more and more trumps (big or small) to contend with in ensuing decades. people are going to take lessons from his success.

― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 3 March 2016 05:27 (9 hours ago) Permalink

so you just think that trump is some kind of once-in-a-lifetime leprechaun and his success says nothing about what many americans believe?

― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, March 3, 2016 12:36 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i actually think this is more reasonable than the leprechaun rhetorical device makes it sound!

- trump looks like a success now. but when he loses the general election, and possibly loses it worse than any R in a while, will that still be success that will inspire imitation? is anyone imitating romney's 'success' right now?

- republicans in the primary play a game in two stages, where in the first stage (primaries) they need to be as hostile to black/mexican/women as possible to win the base, then need to backpedal to get the sliver of minority votes (a that gets larger and larger every 4 years) that they need to win the second stage (general). all candidates and their campaign strategists know this. pre-trump candidates were in a relatively cooperative equilibrium, where they would all temper their hostility in the first stage, even though any individual candidate could get a boost from being hostile. Trump said fuck cooperating, went full blast on racial hostility, scooped up the first stage, and will lose the second stage. Republicans are pissed because he did that while eschewing many aspects of their platform, making it an awkward choice for them to support him in the general (even though i'm sure they all will).

- i think what we did learn is that strict adherence to every aspect of the R platform is not a necessary condition to be the nominee. but i think announcements that republicans no longer care about abortion, religion, soc security and will vote for anyone who is anti-immigration, nationalist and racist enough are wrong. Trump's very good at keeping the conversation away from those things and has already pivoted on or distanced himself from the most blasphemous quotes. i don't think we've learned that R voters' policy preferences have changed, they just made decision taking into account a bunch of other things; their expectation that Trump can win (which has a self-fulfilling prophecy component, increasing in when-will-it-end momentum), the weakness of other candidates, his likeability, how strong/credible his claims are on immigration

i think what we did learn is that strict adherence to every aspect of the R platform is not a necessary condition to be the nominee. but i think announcements that republicans no longer care about abortion, religion, soc security and will vote for anyone who is anti-immigration, nationalist and racist enough are wrong.

Aye, but the concern is that 'republicans' is not the appropriate phrase in that sentence as much as 'a bunch of voters, many of whom don't usually vote'.

(or vote dem)

Trump is not really a template one can copy, and if future GOP fields are just a little stronger it will be harder for a personality cult like his to dominate. Even if Marco Rubio comes back in four or eight years looking less like a joke, which I think is probable.

rubio is losing his hair, he's on the clock

there's plenty about trump that people can copy

a combover of that magnitude is not easily done

especially at the state level

Mark Cuban for Pres

Mittens' speech should be in limerick form

holy shit the occupy protestor in that pro-trump article O_O

I work in a liberal arts department. I’ve read the works of Karl Marx, Herbert Marcuse, John Stuart Mill, Friedrich Nietzsche, Plato, Judith Butler, Simone de Beauvoir, Michel Foucault and so on. I am more inclined to listen to what Slavoj Žižek or Noam Chomsky have to say about current affairs than Rachel Maddow or Bill O’Reilly. If one were to take account of my demographics, the smart money would be to peg me for a Bernie Sanders supporter... His candidacy is a happy accident that is currently ripping the soul of America apart, which is something that I think we desperately need (and deserve) at this time in our history, for better or for worse. I support whatever strange gods happen to be behind his candidacy, for, as Martin Heidegger proclaimed in his famous Der Speigel interview, although for slightly different reasons, “Only a God can save us.”

yeah every single on of those people is a mess

they each view trump as the special instrument of their revenge against some element of society that has wronged them

they each view trump as the special instrument of their revenge against some element of society that has wronged them

this is perfect

yes

I’m particularly angry at social justice warriors and my main reason to vote Trump is to see the looks on your faces when he wins.

It’s not that I like Trump. It’s that I hate those who can’t stand him. I want them to suffer the shock of knowing all their torrents of blog posts and Tumblr bitch-fests and “I just can’t ...” and accusations of mansplaining didn’t actually matter. That they’re still losing. And that things are not getting better for them. They’re getting worse.

support for Trump must be closely linked to the death drive

goole otm and i am def stealing that for personal use

If Trump really is the ascent of strong-man authoritarianism, then I can't wait for him to be defeated in the general election, utterly and humiliatingly, by a flipflopping woman supported by a coalition of single women and minorities. That's going to feel so good!

they each view trump as the special instrument of their revenge against some element of society that has wronged them

I agree that this is perfect, almost to the point of being self-evident. Like, I cannot think of a more succinct way to explain why anyone would vote for Trump over literally anyone else. Again, though: Trump is aggrieved, but his aggrievement is probably not your aggrievement.

the weird thing to me that i kinda don't understand is that the US is not some Weimer Republic w/ out of control inflation and painful terms dictated by a recent surrender. unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly. there's obv still inequality and things that need to be fixed but these ppl are acting like this country is going down the toilet and needs some radical shakeout for its survival - it's insane. these americans must be experiencing some kind of psychotic break.

Precisely that.

yeah it's bizarre

they each view trump as the special instrument of their revenge against some element of society that has wronged them

Best thing said in this long long thread

there's a crisis everyday on 24 hour news

xposts Or they'll feel the way the biggest loudmouth tells them they should feel absent anything like evidence or critical thought or sensory input, but what's the difference really.

I don't think Trump is aggrieved! His voters are aggrieved. He still looks like he's doing it for fun and has watched this thing blossom since last summer until he had to take it seriously.

*still looks = looked

we should poll ilx and see how many secret trump voters we have

Morbs is, right?

#herewego

my first guess xp

Agree that goole's observation is the bee's knees.

Meanwhile I heard Jon Meacham quoted as saying that it's like an airline hijacking where the passengers are rooting for the hijackers. Funny, if not a perfect analogy.

the US is not some Weimer Republic

true, but real wages in the U.S. have been stagnant for at least 40 years, and during the same period much of the manufacturing sector has vanished ... for low-education white males of a certain age, the brutality of the economy might feel kind of Weimarish

these americans must be experiencing some kind of psychotic break.

OTM. Also it's not like the Dems have been pushing the good numbers. The R's are so much better at it

no way. i mean i don't want to downplay anyone's struggle [um] but life in the US in 2016, no matter how much real wage stagnation, is nothing like life in Germany in 1933

there are “two Trumps” – the brash character he portrays himself as, and the decent man they know behind closed doors

"I'm not a bloviating megalomaniac asshole, but I play one on TV."

of the NY Times profiles of Super Tuesday Trump supporters, this was the biggest facepalm

RICHFIELD, Minn. — When Fadumo Yusuf showed up at a Donald J. Trump rally here wearing a gold hijab, she was practically mobbed by campaign volunteers.

A Trump sticker made its way onto her hijab, and she was handed a large Trump sign and directed to the front of the group, so she could be interviewed by a local news station.

Ms. Yusuf, 34, a Muslim immigrant from Ethiopia who lives in Minneapolis, and her husband appeared to be the only nonwhites among roughly 300 people who gathered Sunday at the American Legion in this Minneapolis suburb.

One volunteer begged her to do an on-camera interview. “You are a brave, beautiful woman, and I’m proud of you,” the volunteer told Ms. Yusuf, who obliged. Chris Hupke, a Trump adviser, posed for a picture beside Ms. Yusuf, flashing a thumbs-up and then asking for her name. (Her husband was largely overlooked.)

“From the minute I came inside, everybody welcomed me,” Ms. Yusuf said. “It showed me a different thing — not hate but love.”

Ms. Yusuf is well aware that her decision to caucus tonight for Mr. Trump will surprise many people — and that the sight of a hijab-wearing Muslim holding a Trump sign can cause people to do a double take.

She does not pretend to agree with Mr. Trump’s proposal to bar Muslim immigrants from entering the country. “That was hurtful,” Ms. Yusuf said.

But she does not consider Mr. Trump a bad person, just ill-informed.

“I believe he has a heart, so I will overlook that,” she said. “He doesn’t know a lot about the Muslim community. I want to give him a chance to see who we are. We are not terrorists. We are great Muslim Americans. We are his people.”...

http://www.nytimes.com/live/super-tuesday-2016-elections/a-muslim-woman/

“I believe he has a heart, so I will overlook that,”

^^^ how I eliminate dates

He's such a good man, you don't understand. What, this? Oh, I just walked into a door, that's all.

we should poll ilx and see how many secret trump voters we have

next best thing: Which secret Trump voter most closely resembles you?

fingers crossed! http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/anti-donald-trump-republicans-call-for-a-third-party-option.html?_r=0

please please please

Defections of any scale could prove lethal to Mr. Trump. He already trails Mrs. Clinton in general election polls, and polling already shows the possibility of mass desertions from the party. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey this week found that 48 percent of Republicans who do not already back Mr. Trump said they would probably not or definitely not support him in November.

Morbs is, right?

congrats Mordy and Sotosyn, for beating Pollitt, Steinem & Co to the lib-fascist punch

also go fuck each other

that's not a no