Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

for me, the claim that a professional lawyer with security experience would think hosting your own email was a good (or at least uncontroversial) idea is so far-fetched that i pretty much assume there is something "real" to it.

i just assume (maybe wrongly) that email security doesn't mean the same thing to a 60yo in 2008 as it does to me. at this pt i need to see an actual bombshell and not just all these "implications" before i believe that there's a fire to go along w/ all the [v artificial looking] smoke.

― Mordy, Thursday, March 3, 2016 8:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I assume Clinton hasn't practiced since the 80s and I dont think there was alot of email server related discovery going on when she was doing it.

has a single email even been disclosed from the investigation that would've benefited hillary by not appearing on official servers? the only emails i've seen so far are about gefilte fish and thanking sidney blumenthal for sending max's articles over.

they locked file cabinets in the 80s iirc

xp

she's familiar with the legal implications of a written record, not "email discovery" in particular

Not a bad speech, but I can't see it changing anything, except maybe having the reverse effect. Heard someone unironically call Romney "the de facto leader of the Republican Party" last night. That's laughable--he pretty much vanished after the last election, and it's not like there was a lot of positive feelings within his party to begin with.

also the 'yay we sold a shit-ton of bombers to the Saudis' email

the gop's problem is that he's the de facto leader of the republican party _and_ you're right about his profile

I'm not sure that there is one, but I just can't see it being him. Maybe Ryan at the moment, maybe still Limbaugh or someone like that. Maybe Donald Trump.

Sometimes the internet truly is a gift.

http://worldmeets.us/images/donald-trump-tronald-dump-tron-caption_pic.jpg

It's hard to tell which one is the head chicken when they're all running around headless.

i'm not sure y'all have a handle on what "de facto" means

it doesn't mean "de wanto"

I would have said the Koch brothers

I agree the DIY home server is nagl, and I cringe inwardly every time I think about it. But the usual counterpoint to that is prior secretaries of state did similar things, as did many Bush admin officials. For me this is not very helpful - she should have known it would look sleazy and get used against her, the way so many things have been. Caesar's wife and all that.

That said, we've been hearing about the damn emails for many moons now, and no concrete charges have come out. If there's a smoking gun, go ahead and arrest her ass. If there isn't, do they just keep looking until they find one? Also, is there some halfway point between having her strung up for treason, and letting her and her entire staff off scot-free? Like some kind of "mistakes were made, here are some consequences, now let's move on" path?

I know this isn't CSI or L&O where you find a telltale shoeprint (DUN DUN) and call for the handcuffs. But how long is this investigation supposed to take? I honestly have no idea, but one might think it's being protracted for reasons that just may include - dare I say it - politics.

I do understand de facto, which is why I say it can't be Romney. The Koch brothers for the last couple of generals is a good pick, but I'm not sure about this one--are they good with Trump? Old Lunch might have it right.

yeah that's the thing. it's not like they're still discovering emails - they had them all to begin with. they were reviewing + releasing them to the public. if there was a smoking gun we should've heard about it a long time ago. xp

The Koch Bros are avowedly anti-Trump

yup, they are quite clearly NOT in control

He's such a good man, you don't understand. What, this? Oh, I just walked into a door, that's all.

― Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Thursday, March 3, 2016 11:56 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is doubling back and i really don't wanna be an asshole, but man, this isn't cool.

I agree the DIY home server is nagl, and I cringe inwardly every time I think about it. But the usual counterpoint to that is prior secretaries of state did similar things, as did many Bush admin officials. For me this is not very helpful - she should have known it would look sleazy and get used against her, the way so many things have been. Caesar's wife and all that.

... I mean, you come into a new job, you ask "how should we set up things? what are the best practices?" and someone tells you "everyone set up a personal server" so you say "okay, let's do that" and then years later everyone comes down on you like a ton of bricks for following procedure with precedent that apparently didn't divulge any critical secrets to anyone who didn't already have access to them, and somehow at the originating point you are supposed to know that the best practice put in front of you is a set up for a partisan attack?

^^^

this whole thing is such a stupid non-scandal. People harmed = 0.

I mean it's one thing if they were like "use this Dropbox for all of your sensitive documents, that's our standard practice" but I do think you're basically saying "Hillary Clinton should have had precognitive abilities, then none of this would be happening"

The Koch Bros are avowedly anti-Trump

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, March 3, 2016 3:58 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup, they are quite clearly NOT in control

― Οὖτις, Thursday, March 3, 2016 3:59 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't Kock bros own the R voter database? they could withhold it from Trump

... I mean, you come into a new job, you ask "how should we set up things? what are the best practices?" and someone tells you "everyone set up a personal server" so you say "okay, let's do that" and then years later everyone comes down on you like a ton of bricks for following procedure with precedent that apparently didn't divulge any critical secrets to anyone who didn't already have access to them, and somehow at the originating point you are supposed to know that the best practice put in front of you is a set up for a partisan attack?

personally i don't really care at all about the email thing, BUT while i could see some people in her position being that ignorant, i can't imagine that she didn't realize there was something fishy about what she was doing. proper recordkeeping is drilled into you in the federal govt. i have a hard time believing she didn't understand it herself, but certainly one of her handlers would have known something was wrong with that approach.

Doc Casino, apologies if that came off as insensitive. There's an obvious parallel in my mind with a Muslim defending Trump's anti-Muslim rhetoric and insisting that he ultimately has a good heart, but I wasn't intending to be flippant about domestic abuse.

even if it is a real problem (which i'm clearly not even a little convinced about) republicans kinda blew it with all the other fake scandals they tried to make stick before this one. it's hard to believe any scandalous claims are valid at this pt, and certainly not ones so flimsily constructed.

karl otm

i registered democratic today so if the dem primaries do make it to PA i can vote in them

Anyway, given the area I covered, I received a lot of classified reports from the CIA, the State Department, etc.. They had all sorts of warnings in capital letters on their covers: SECRET NOFORN NOCONTRACT PROPIN ORCON, I think, was the standard litany. And there was a security person who came through our offices at night, scooped up any classified documents we left out, put them in a safe, and issued citations. Between the number of classified documents I received and my continuing true identity as an absent-minded professor, I got a lot of citations — second only to Marty.

But the reason I kept forgetting to lock the things up was that none of them — literally not one, during a whole year — contained anything actually sensitive. There was nothing in any of them you couldn’t have read in newspapers, or figured out for yourself given public information.

I was privy to a few bits of sensitive information, I guess — for example, I knew that Brazil was out of money a few days before it was public — but none of it was in classified documents. (And the larger secret I learned from my year — that the quality of discussion in cabinet-level meetings is lower than you can imagine — isn’t the kind of thing people put in classified documents.)

So my guess is that the only scandal here is how much anodyne stuff gets “Top secret” slapped on it.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/my-classified-life/

Old Lunch, thanks, i appreciate that. Sorry for coming at you kind of abruptly and without really explaining myself.

oh ffs this Romney speech is hilarious, just watching his face, I really really really wish he were running again, I think a can of Diet Coke could beat him.

hell a can of diet PEPSI could

i'd bet on a flat Diet Rite even

President Tab

don't look at the carpet trump drew something awful on it

― Karl Malone, Thursday, March 3, 2016 3:25 PM

still laughing

President Tab

― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, March 3, 2016 3:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

doesn't romney actually have a son named "tab"?

Tagg!

Willard Romney—father of the Massachusetts healthcare reform which he disowned while running for president; once more pro-gay than Teddy Kennedy; employer of undocumented workers who had to can them because he was running for office, for pete's sake—actually deploring He, Trump for being malleable in his political opinions?

Honestly, people. If you can't see the humor in this, you're not having nearly enough fun in show business.

-- Charles Pierce

Mitt looking pretty good for a 68 year old though, i had no idea he was that old

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-brothers-grimsby-sacha-baron-cohen_us_56d8774ce4b03a405677a912?j27f1or

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Holy shit SERIOUS LOL at this line at the end of Romney's speech: "He's playing the members of the American public for suckers, he gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."

missed his chance to say "lousy hat made in China"

Editor's note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims -- 1.6 billion members of an entire religion -- from entering the U.S.

We really need to find a way to convince Trump to kill himself while making hime think it was his idea

shit Romney did at Bain Capital was graft on a level that makes the Donald look like a guy working a crooked carnival game at a county fair

Lol @ clemenza's Hinckley observation

Having previously blamed a faulty earpiece for failing to condemn Duke, he this time said he couldn’t just come out and condemn groups generically because — what if they were Jewish?

shit Romney did at Bain Capital was graft on a level that makes the Donald look like a guy working a crooked carnival game at a county fair
― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, March 3, 2016 4:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, like keeping guitar center afloat another few years

the people need their multi-fx pedals

If we can't buy a Tube Screamer at 9 PM on a Tuesday, then the terrorists have won.