Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

not intervening against Native American genocide.

Uh non-intervention the US perpetrated the Trail of Tears.

There's a difference between not intervening and directly carrying out. By this logic Iraq was the US not intervening in the Bush attack.

I think Syria is a pretty perfect recent example where the US could have intervened and chose not to.

lol really? u think we should have trained, armed and fought alongside ISIS?

ime Syria is one of those situations where there were no good options

imo

Also, if Adam Brunau really looks at the 20th century and can't find any examples of non-intervention, I guess that explains a lot?

I'm not saying intervention is the right choice. I'm just saying it was a possibility, but didn't happen.

Re: Syria.

The sad thing is that at this point, the POTUS can kill thousands upon thousands of foreign civilians with nary a peep from even the Democratic base. Same goes for indefinite detention and the like. In a way, we've all, collectively, created Trump. He must figure, "why not promote torture, after all, people seem quite willing to green light all sorts of international law delinquency. Let me just push the envelope a little further."

the POTUS can kill thousands upon thousands of foreign civilians with nary a peep from even the Democratic base

this is not really true. Obama has not killed "thousands upon thousands of foreign civilians" and the last time a POTUS did do that, Dem base turned out the largest anti-war protests in history

Another situation with no good choices: Libya,

Actually, I think most wars and bombings and interventions since the end of the cold war stemmed from situations with no good choices. Glaring example of the opposite: Iraq, of course. Looking back on it, it really boggles the mind how it happened, and why Clinton voted for it.

are we counting ppl the Saudis and others kill with the shit we sold 'em?

Uh non-intervention the US perpetrated the Trail of Tears.

― Sorry To Be The Bearer Of Bad Poos (Leee),

It was the policy of the American government to forcibly remove Indians or buy Indian land. I call this interventionist.

xxposts Under Obama, drones alone had killed 2,500 by mid-2015 iirc, and the percentage of civilians is estimated to be up to 90%. If I'm wrong about this, or my sources are, then believe me, as someone who campaigned for O, I'm glad to be corrected!

that is not "thousands upon thousands", don't succumb to Morbzmath

thousand upon thousand

technically that's just barely a thousand upon a thousand

lol dan

lol

I think the drone program is worse than Libya. Libya was a hard choice in a bad situation. Drones are taking easy but wrong choices over and over again.

she's a very flawed candidate. the iraq war vote was very much on my mind when i voted for obama in 2008 primaries. but it looks like she's going to get the nomination and i will campaign for her bc there's only party i can trust not to turn this country into a burning heap of trash and i hope she lives up to. i think there's def upside - she seems like someone who naturally does (and did) feel a much more leftist sense of politics than her husband and i do believe that as compromised as she is she does feel like she's a servant of the ppl and she wants to help. i hope this primary experience has liberated her to govern that way tho i would be totally full of shit if i said that it seemed likely to me. actually if trump is the rep nom she's probably fine and dem party energy should be heavily invested in senatorial + congressional races to flip as much as possible. going against this republican field is a once in a lifetime opportunity (god i hope) and i hope hillary's flaws as a candidate don't waste that chance.

Another situation with no good choices: Libya,

Libya presented better options than Syria! For one thing Qaddaffi wasn't being propped up by Iran.

Uh non-intervention the US perpetrated the Trail of Tears.

― Sorry To Be The Bearer Of Bad Poos (Leee),

It was the policy of the American government to forcibly remove Indians or buy Indian land. I call this interventionist.

We agree, sorry for lack of punctuation, should've been an, extra comma in there.

all good!

some embarrassing typos in that post i'm sorry i hope it's still legible

Fine. "A thousand and a half thousand upon a thousand"

Rhetorical party poopers, y'all

the pedantry of hard expectations

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Rhetorical party poopers, y'all

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No way

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Actually '[...] is the name of my ska punk band' is the name of my ska punk band. We choice it to make a joke AND be at the start of the record shop. We did not think that through.

Would buy

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this asshole: Jim Webb: I won't vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump

xxposts Under Obama, drones alone had killed 2,500 by mid-2015 iirc, and the percentage of civilians is estimated to be up to 90%. If I'm wrong about this, or my sources are, then believe me, as someone who campaigned for O, I'm glad to be corrected!

― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous)

"an average of separate counts of American drone strikes by three organizations, the New America Foundation, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism and The Long War Journal, finds that 522 strikes have killed 3,852 people, 476 of them civilians. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/drone-strikes-reveal-uncomfortable-truth-us-is-often-unsure-about-who-will-die.html

That's 2004 - 2015, I believe. Estimates all over the map.

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Let's get this party pooper started.

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somebody's lying on the headcount

smh your browser doesn't do webfonts

Good old race condition. xp

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