Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

thousand upon thousand

technically that's just barely a thousand upon a thousand

lol dan

lol

I think the drone program is worse than Libya. Libya was a hard choice in a bad situation. Drones are taking easy but wrong choices over and over again.

she's a very flawed candidate. the iraq war vote was very much on my mind when i voted for obama in 2008 primaries. but it looks like she's going to get the nomination and i will campaign for her bc there's only party i can trust not to turn this country into a burning heap of trash and i hope she lives up to. i think there's def upside - she seems like someone who naturally does (and did) feel a much more leftist sense of politics than her husband and i do believe that as compromised as she is she does feel like she's a servant of the ppl and she wants to help. i hope this primary experience has liberated her to govern that way tho i would be totally full of shit if i said that it seemed likely to me. actually if trump is the rep nom she's probably fine and dem party energy should be heavily invested in senatorial + congressional races to flip as much as possible. going against this republican field is a once in a lifetime opportunity (god i hope) and i hope hillary's flaws as a candidate don't waste that chance.

Another situation with no good choices: Libya,

Libya presented better options than Syria! For one thing Qaddaffi wasn't being propped up by Iran.

Uh non-intervention the US perpetrated the Trail of Tears.

― Sorry To Be The Bearer Of Bad Poos (Leee),

It was the policy of the American government to forcibly remove Indians or buy Indian land. I call this interventionist.

We agree, sorry for lack of punctuation, should've been an, extra comma in there.

all good!

some embarrassing typos in that post i'm sorry i hope it's still legible

Fine. "A thousand and a half thousand upon a thousand"

Rhetorical party poopers, y'all

the pedantry of hard expectations

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Rhetorical party poopers, y'all

fyi I have this on a t-shirt

No way

Rhetorical Party Poopers is the name of my ska punk band.

(give me 5 min on zazzle.com)

Actually '[...] is the name of my ska punk band' is the name of my ska punk band. We choice it to make a joke AND be at the start of the record shop. We did not think that through.

Would buy

Intervenskanism is the name of mine.

this asshole: Jim Webb: I won't vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump

xxposts Under Obama, drones alone had killed 2,500 by mid-2015 iirc, and the percentage of civilians is estimated to be up to 90%. If I'm wrong about this, or my sources are, then believe me, as someone who campaigned for O, I'm glad to be corrected!

― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous)

"an average of separate counts of American drone strikes by three organizations, the New America Foundation, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism and The Long War Journal, finds that 522 strikes have killed 3,852 people, 476 of them civilians. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/drone-strikes-reveal-uncomfortable-truth-us-is-often-unsure-about-who-will-die.html

That's 2004 - 2015, I believe. Estimates all over the map.

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Let's get this party pooper started.

http://www.nevertrump.com/

http://i.imgur.com/ZdiRpqe.png

Boob Fartwrangler for President.

http://i.imgur.com/dhoO6jz.png

somebody's lying on the headcount

smh your browser doesn't do webfonts

Good old race condition. xp

I've got the best fonts. The best!

Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War estimated that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time.[1] A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion.[2] Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

voting for the iraq war is the biggest sin for me. i can't get past it. i am not giving anyone who did so another chance.

lib base vigorously protested that war

feeling thankful that President Trump managed to stay pure on this topic

Read that as lil based

lib base voted for the war u mean

no, that isn't what I mean!

scroll upthread

collardio claimed the Dem lib base has been silent when POTUS proposes to murder "thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians". The lib base vigorously protested the last time this happened - the Iraq War - resulting in the largest anti-war protests EVER. It was the Dem establishment (incl Hillary) that nonetheless voted for it. Key liberal office-holding Democrats, however, did vote against it, including my Representative and one of my Senators (Feinstein otoh can go die in a fire, I hate her).

Mikulski, Boxer, Feingold, Kennedy etc. - the liberal wing of the party - were not for it.

otm, that's always made HRC's vote especially unforgivable to me

this is why i was making a distinction between vapid hawks and idealistic hawks

RIP Ben Carson

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/04/ben-carsons-new-job-getting-christians-to-vote/?_r=0

not quite going to let Mordy get away with characterizing American intervention in Libya as only resulting in 1K deaths therefore a relative success when there are half a million displaced people there and of course its ongoing slide into failed statedom as well as a major source of people smuggling. the question is about judgement and follow-through, not about precision of the headline operation.

YES I USED AN 'E' AFTER THE 'G' IN JUDGEMENT, DON'T JUDGE

I judg thee

the only thing i can say on libya is that i don't know what happens in the counterfactual where NATO doesn't get involved. we know sometimes you don't get involved and it leads to horrific consequences that weigh on the ppl who said no (cf samantha powers).

Voting for the Iraq war is unforgivable. Voting for trump is more unforgivable imo

i might've missed it in the 1500+ posts on this thread but has anyone actually proposed voting for trump?

I just read some ridiculous thing from Bruce Bartlett where he said he voted for Trump precisely because he will destroy the GOP, and the GOP in its current formulation needs to suffer a humiliating electoral defeat

people's rationales are strange some times.