Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

look arguably speaking bernie has had 30 years to work on getting more coverage and eyeballs on his agenda. the media didn't help him early in this race but he owns a lot of the responsibility for starting from scratch during this campaign

jeez, Doc, you've written 900 words in an hour!

and yes Sanders should stay in the race as long as he can. I don't think HRC's gonna move much farther to the left; she only started to when he was a threat, and the threat's been nullified.

xposts yeah what an asshole, how dare he not spend the last sixteen years running for president. people who really deserve to have their ideas heard know to do that.

there are very high profile senators who didn't have to run for senator to become that way. when warren ends up running she will not have the issues bernie has had.

who didn't have to run for president* i meant

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he got more coverage than cruz or rubio fwiw, and much more than them as a fraction of his party

well, trump can have been severely over-covered and sanders severely under-covered. also, those guys were in a field of seventeen candidates at one point; while clearly that wall of trump coverage doesn't suggest each of their ideas in turn was given a fair hearing, it's at least a little different.

"As people have noted on ilx before, the Dems are actually having a civilized discussion about politics, which is a pretty good contrast to what's going on on the other side."

this is perfectly good reason for him to stay in the race, IMO. The Dem process has been great so far, bringing good issues to light; the more that continues, the better they look as a whole to the general public (or so I'd hope). I really feel let down when trump does things like reverse his stance on torture (which he did, then I think he kind of didn't the next day) because I don't want those guys starting to sound reasonable to anyone.

also, you know, clinton could get indicted or some shit. I doubt it but you never know.

https://twitter.com/mega_vac/status/706330950100131841

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so Sanders should gang up with Kasich and Rubio. "They don't want us, screw'em, let's divide Rome."

the weird thing to me that i kinda don't understand is that the US is not some Weimer Republic w/ out of control inflation and painful terms dictated by a recent surrender. unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly. there's obv still inequality and things that need to be fixed but these ppl are acting like this country is going down the toilet and needs some radical shakeout for its survival - it's insane. these americans must be experiencing some kind of psychotic break.

― Mordy, Thursday, March 3, 2016 11:38 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Precisely that.

― Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Thursday, March 3, 2016 11:39 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's bizarre

― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, March 3, 2016 11:41 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark

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rumors were flyin that they left Sanders off of the Dem sample ballot in Illinois primary but naturally it turned out to be just a political advertisement which was obvious to anybody who bothered to read it (cos only one candidate was listed per race for all races). the Sanders Dems on my feed are so goddamn aggravating.

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rubio wins puerto rico

are his balls brittle?

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really confused... why are these people angry???

the weimar germany comparison should be taken seriously because if the elites keep forcing people to pick between Romneys & Clintons they will undercut their own legitimacy soon enough

they're angry bc black people (and now messicans and mooslems) are getting the exact same socialism they are. the anger makes them die sooner.

funny spelling

think it's kinda problematic to attribute any one feature to Trump voters cos they span many walks of life (tho the one being focused on lately, the middle class/collapsing industries, is one for sure)

unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly

the obliviousness of this still has my jaw on the floor... i guess it accounts for maintream dems/GOP all around the country reeling backwards clutching their chests like Redd Foxx upon discovering there's a big chunk of the electorate that responds to populism. the demo shafted by free trade (and the demo responding to trump's economic populism) aren't bouncing back from SHIT

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

what is your conclusion from that data?

isn't conventional wisdom that a large part of that is due to baby boomers retiring en masse?

We have fewer people working than in 2006. Sure some of those non-workers are retirees, but the story is less full-time work than before as a "new normal". The generation of workers in their 20s and 30s is the first in a long long time to not have a realistic expectation of a more secure/better working life than their parents.

unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly

A-hem

here was a more in-depth analysis of that stat: http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce

it isn't that jobs aren't available, a lot of it that *certain* types of jobs aren't available in either industries that have vanished or shrunk considerably

"certain" i.e. good, full-time jobs

That article quotes a guy trying to explain the non-retiree side of the story with the old chestnut that our dadgum American workers just don't have the right skills. But the majority of jobs being created are low-skill service sector jobs. It doesn't compute. And in any case, there's a simple solution to finding workers with the "right skills" - you increase your wage offer. Companies aren't doing this.

Sure some of those non-workers are retirees

approximately half of the decline was due to retiring boomers leaving the workforce. it's the other half nobody can agree on.

because really there hasn't been sufficient polling data as of yet, though there's some out there.

re: the white male death rate, their death rate really actually spiked severely between 1999 and 2005, then sharply declined again (though still hasn't quite gotten back to 1999's numbers). it's the white female death rate that's risen since 2005.

http://andrewgelman.com/2015/11/10/death-rates-have-been-increasing-for-middle-aged-white-women-decreasing-for-men/

arnold endorsed kasich lol

i love bernie's tie tonight

oh shit, this is actually heating up

Any way to watch this in Canada?

Or even stream audio?

Signs of life, both sides...Preview of how a crowd reacts when a male snaps at Clinton to stop talking--not positively. That's something that could really blow up in Trump's face.

rofl

if we're going to argue the merits of candidates based on the recorded history of their actions,

yeah i just saw a few dozen tweets go by immediately with women like.. just wow, how many times has a man talked over me like that, etc. i'm certainly familiar with it.

trump looked terrible in debate vs fiorina and megyn kelly embarrassed him pretty bad

amazing that we actually hear candidates talking about policy rn and not just who's a loser and a liar and their poll numbers and whatever

alright bernie your 15 seconds is up. Senator CLinton *DING DING DING!* oh wahts that sound? Looks like Senator Clinton activated the unbiased BONUS POWERUP SUPREME just by accident which gives her unlimited time. Incredible. How does she do it. That'll be our next question. Senator Clinton: How Do You Do It?

Cruz, Rubio, and Democrats should go back at look at that Fiorina moment; it was the one time, I think, were Trump was completely diminished and clearly embarrassed (and dug himself an even deeper hole with his follow-up comment). It happened so early, it's been forgotten.

Neither candidate with much of an answer for the father whose daughter was shot in the head. "It's a hard issue."

Sanders is great when he talks about his early-'60s experiences; very modest.

i don't think it's a good idea for bernie to voice his concerns about policing in quite these terms; i think too many will interpret it as anti-cop. there's a way to say the same thing in more mollifying language.

neither of them answered the 'racial blind spots' question, of course.