Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

they're angry bc black people (and now messicans and mooslems) are getting the exact same socialism they are. the anger makes them die sooner.

funny spelling

think it's kinda problematic to attribute any one feature to Trump voters cos they span many walks of life (tho the one being focused on lately, the middle class/collapsing industries, is one for sure)

unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly

the obliviousness of this still has my jaw on the floor... i guess it accounts for maintream dems/GOP all around the country reeling backwards clutching their chests like Redd Foxx upon discovering there's a big chunk of the electorate that responds to populism. the demo shafted by free trade (and the demo responding to trump's economic populism) aren't bouncing back from SHIT

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

what is your conclusion from that data?

isn't conventional wisdom that a large part of that is due to baby boomers retiring en masse?

We have fewer people working than in 2006. Sure some of those non-workers are retirees, but the story is less full-time work than before as a "new normal". The generation of workers in their 20s and 30s is the first in a long long time to not have a realistic expectation of a more secure/better working life than their parents.

unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly

A-hem

here was a more in-depth analysis of that stat: http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce

it isn't that jobs aren't available, a lot of it that *certain* types of jobs aren't available in either industries that have vanished or shrunk considerably

"certain" i.e. good, full-time jobs

That article quotes a guy trying to explain the non-retiree side of the story with the old chestnut that our dadgum American workers just don't have the right skills. But the majority of jobs being created are low-skill service sector jobs. It doesn't compute. And in any case, there's a simple solution to finding workers with the "right skills" - you increase your wage offer. Companies aren't doing this.

Sure some of those non-workers are retirees

approximately half of the decline was due to retiring boomers leaving the workforce. it's the other half nobody can agree on.

because really there hasn't been sufficient polling data as of yet, though there's some out there.

re: the white male death rate, their death rate really actually spiked severely between 1999 and 2005, then sharply declined again (though still hasn't quite gotten back to 1999's numbers). it's the white female death rate that's risen since 2005.

http://andrewgelman.com/2015/11/10/death-rates-have-been-increasing-for-middle-aged-white-women-decreasing-for-men/

arnold endorsed kasich lol

i love bernie's tie tonight

oh shit, this is actually heating up

Any way to watch this in Canada?

Or even stream audio?

Signs of life, both sides...Preview of how a crowd reacts when a male snaps at Clinton to stop talking--not positively. That's something that could really blow up in Trump's face.

rofl

if we're going to argue the merits of candidates based on the recorded history of their actions,

yeah i just saw a few dozen tweets go by immediately with women like.. just wow, how many times has a man talked over me like that, etc. i'm certainly familiar with it.

trump looked terrible in debate vs fiorina and megyn kelly embarrassed him pretty bad

amazing that we actually hear candidates talking about policy rn and not just who's a loser and a liar and their poll numbers and whatever

alright bernie your 15 seconds is up. Senator CLinton *DING DING DING!* oh wahts that sound? Looks like Senator Clinton activated the unbiased BONUS POWERUP SUPREME just by accident which gives her unlimited time. Incredible. How does she do it. That'll be our next question. Senator Clinton: How Do You Do It?

Cruz, Rubio, and Democrats should go back at look at that Fiorina moment; it was the one time, I think, were Trump was completely diminished and clearly embarrassed (and dug himself an even deeper hole with his follow-up comment). It happened so early, it's been forgotten.

Neither candidate with much of an answer for the father whose daughter was shot in the head. "It's a hard issue."

Sanders is great when he talks about his early-'60s experiences; very modest.

i don't think it's a good idea for bernie to voice his concerns about policing in quite these terms; i think too many will interpret it as anti-cop. there's a way to say the same thing in more mollifying language.

neither of them answered the 'racial blind spots' question, of course.

Neither candidate with much of an answer for the father whose daughter was shot in the head. "It's a hard issue."

― timellison, Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:58 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

repeal the 2nd amendment

tbh though the fiorina thing was mostly that she was v sharp (i don't agree with her but just in terms of debate skills).. but the other part is that trump couldn't respond to fiorina with a tirade of verbal abuse like he does to rubio or cruz because bullying a woman face to face in a debate is still a bad look even for trump (he just waits until later on twitter or whatever because he has some kind of psychological issue where he can't let anything go without responding with some stupid tirade)

wonder if in a few generations we will get to the point of banning nearly all guns, i'd be for it

I would love to be in my 80s and tell my grandkids "let me tell ya about when guns WERE legal".

One can hope.

Bummed that I missed first hour of this and forgot to DVR it

Any clear edge in the first hour?

Any clear edge in the first hour?

i have to admit that even as the outlook for the election gets bleaker and bleaker, i like sanders more and more. there's a weird mismatch between the aspects of his affect that make him look doddering and out of touch, and his obviously pretty fleet and clever mind.

sanders just made a face like a bored five-year-old waiting for his teenage brother to stop whining

ok i lol'ed at sanders joke re the investing in mental health after that gop debate

Yeah that joke was delightful

i love bernie but i thought it was sort of offensive tbh

hilary's taking the 2nd half by smirking evilly every time bernie brings up her taking donations from the industries that own her

What was Sanders going to say about Trump that he thought better of? Intrigued!

i think he was basically saying he would eagerly support a clinton candidacy against trump

I think he was just about to say he would give his right arm to run against Trump

"do you believe that god is relevant?"

oh, i see.

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"proud to be jewish" didn't get much applause