Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

Bummed that I missed first hour of this and forgot to DVR it

Any clear edge in the first hour?

Any clear edge in the first hour?

i have to admit that even as the outlook for the election gets bleaker and bleaker, i like sanders more and more. there's a weird mismatch between the aspects of his affect that make him look doddering and out of touch, and his obviously pretty fleet and clever mind.

sanders just made a face like a bored five-year-old waiting for his teenage brother to stop whining

ok i lol'ed at sanders joke re the investing in mental health after that gop debate

Yeah that joke was delightful

i love bernie but i thought it was sort of offensive tbh

hilary's taking the 2nd half by smirking evilly every time bernie brings up her taking donations from the industries that own her

What was Sanders going to say about Trump that he thought better of? Intrigued!

i think he was basically saying he would eagerly support a clinton candidacy against trump

I think he was just about to say he would give his right arm to run against Trump

"do you believe that god is relevant?"

oh, i see.

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"proud to be jewish" didn't get much applause

hilary's taking the 2nd half by smirking evilly every time bernie brings up her taking donations from the industries that own her

Trying to be nice here! Damned if I do, etc

Half expected Sanders to snarl, "What do you care?"

I hTe these meddling questions about faith

"to whom and for whom do you pray?"

man, i fucking hate religion. what is this bullshit?

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Intrusive rather

such a hectoring question

"who? who? huh? who?"

More than Bill Clinton -- more than Barack Obama -- Hillary Clinton strikes me as a secular candidate. I can't believe her as someone who prays.

Hate this stuff too. Humiliating.

also the smug piety on the countenance of the woman who asked it

ugh

There's something really obscene about talking about your spirituality in a political context

this is bringing out the worst of the candidates -- no wonder they believe in drone rockets

tbf bernie didn't talk about spirituality at all, he dodges the question about as artfully as he can

I agree amst

"I don't intend to get into the gutter with whoever they nominate."

Well, I'm going to guess that'll change.

You think she'll brag about her bra size?

To quote a relative, depends what the meaning of gutter is.

i don't think she will lower herself to trump's levels, no way

I mean , there's gutters and then there's gutters

It won't be as crude as what's going on now, but the idea that Trump and Clinton will wage a high-minded campaign is a stretch.

Let me it put this way--it'll be much nastier than the last two, and probably going way back before that. I know about Vince Foster and Willie Horton and Nixon and the daisy ad, but I think Clinton/Trump will take the prize.

Yeah it will be nasty in a different way. Not a dick measuring contest, obv

why not? He'll accuse her of having small hands.q

It'll be guided by Trump, I imagine, and--and this is a good thing; not sure you'd want Kerry or Dukakis up against Trump--she'll be able to match him. The key word in what she says is "intends." She may not intend to, but she'll have to.

idk. it didn't work out for rubio

i think she should like, silently mock his hand gestures and puckered mouth when he is saying crazy stuff and then, when he turns his glance to her, revert to a neutral expression and act all surprised like, "what are you looking over here for?" that's the ticket

The timing of Rubio's attacks was transparently terrible--11th-hour desperation--and he just isn't very good at it. I've made my mixed feelings about Clinton clear, and I rooted against her in 2008, but she's tough.

I think she should just stare at him and say "Donald, you were always brash but you weren't a racist monster. What happened to you?"

I go back and forth on that. I think she could hang back and let Trump destroy himself--Obama was very good at playing it cool in debates (except for the narcoleptic one against Romney, which wasn't actually all that bad)--but she has the politician's love of getting fired up and indignant, you saw it few times tonight, and I don't think she'd have the discipline to do that.

there's so much to attack hil with, bernie's been taking it so easy on her, combine that with the fact that she'll try anything to win - hil vs trump would be one of the filthiest GE's ever

She absolutely has to go on the offensive against Trump, otherwise she'll allow him to define her

idk. i think her handling of the benghazi committee BS kind of bodes well for how she might handle crazy right-wing people yelling at her at length, and how it will come off to a national audience. i am not a clinton fan but i think she would be able to shut down trump really handily and without coming close to stooping to his level. the failure of the GOP crowd to do so this entire campaign says less about trump having unstoppable powers than it does about them being a really crappy set of politicians who were also basically hoping to win over his dedicated fans. none of them was ever in a position to take the high road, nor to look down from a position of strength and sagely shake their head at this madman.

Yes DC. By "going on the offensive" I didn't mean stooping to his level

once again trying and failing to reconcile some of the views of hrc from these threads with what i've seen from following her career for the past eight or so years.. like i know the republicans have been working hard since the 90s to define her as duplicitous, ruthless, insincere, etc., but.. like, do you guys really believe that? because i notice you all seem to think she's pretty awful and..

it feels like it all points back to some fundamental distrust of her that is way stronger than that for many other politicians and i don't really get where it's coming from because i don't see things this way.

she made the benghazi committee look really foolish

Her husband's worse. She's less mellifluous.