Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

once again trying and failing to reconcile some of the views of hrc from these threads with what i've seen from following her career for the past eight or so years.. like i know the republicans have been working hard since the 90s to define her as duplicitous, ruthless, insincere, etc., but.. like, do you guys really believe that? because i notice you all seem to think she's pretty awful and..

it feels like it all points back to some fundamental distrust of her that is way stronger than that for many other politicians and i don't really get where it's coming from because i don't see things this way.

she made the benghazi committee look really foolish

Her husband's worse. She's less mellifluous.

Most of my feelings about her come from the 2008 campaign, not from Republicans. They're far from wholly negative--as I say, I'm about halfway (and, needless to say, would want her to destroy Trump or Cruz).

unemployment is apparently at a two decade low, and no other country in the world has bounced back from the recession as strongly

I was laid off in 2009, got my next job a year later and still haven't made it back up to my '08-09 salary. The smart money is on me getting laid off again in a year or less (technology), and i think my prospects of getting work as a publishing pro with cancer in his mid 50s are JUST GREAT. I'm pretty angry.

she's a blatantly insincere phony whose mere name makes one think of dozens of scandals ranging from financial impropriety to murder. she embraces really dirty/aggressive politics at any cost (see leaking the obama muslim robe photo, rev wright stuff in 08). she sadistically targeted a random country for total destruction just to buttress a foreign policy record. she's nowhere near Ted Cruz level psychotic/alienating but the fact that anyone could look at her and not feel the same chill of revulsion travel through their body as they would a Mitt Romney is bewildering to me from every angle. she might even stand for less than Mitt did

You don't even think she's a real phony?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93sGl1mWDlA

it feels like it all points back to some fundamental distrust of her that is way stronger than that for many other politicians and i don't really get where it's coming from

hm, i wonder in what obvious way hillary clinton is different from the other candidates on both sides ... *strokes beard*

c'mon tom.

ade fyi the clintons did not kill vince foster

i see they got to you too

lmao msnbc commentator talking about how michigan could go red this year because of the high number of militia members

i think it is possibly time to stop talking about wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania as swing states?

wonder in what obvious way hillary clinton is different from the other candidates on both sides ...

lying blatantly for 25 years?

it's possible to be ambivalent abt hil on grounds other than duplicity or insincerity. e.g., foreign affairs.

at the same time I do think a lot of the animosity she attracts is fueled by sexism

i'm pretty ambivalent about clinton but i certainly don't feel the level of gut revulsion h4a is talking about

i think the millions (tens of millions?) of dollars that went into investigating the backgrounds of her and her husband during his administration by the kinda sorta unconstitutional office of the independent counsel is a big factor in how people feel about her -- there's no other figure post-nixon into whose background such thorough muck-raking has taken place, surely

dozens of scandals ranging from financial impropriety to murder

oh shit who did she murder??? dang i better rethink

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz42Bnm7V6Q
http://www.arkancide.com/

IT's pretty grisly reading... Might want to save for tomorrow.

Was the debate tonight actually worth watching? They held it in my hometown and I've been to many, many events in that auditorium, had high school graduation there, etc, so I'm curious how well the entire event went.

The same venue held a special episode of "Donahue" when he came to Flint after _Roger & Me_ became a thing 26 years ago, I think.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

n.b. i am no fan of hillary, and certainly not of bill. i think they both have a lot to answer for, especially wrt welfare reform, wall street deregulation, and mass incarceration. but they're not having staffers secretly killed all the time.

there's plenty of things to criticize her for without resorting to conspiracy theories.

Strongly prefer Morbs to H4A's pedestrian trolling

Oh yeah? who asked you, fruit

"not liking hilary for being a crook and a callous monster" now a troll huh

Sorry but that website doesn't exactly radiate trustworthiness ("All Wars Are Bankers' Wars", "Climategate", "Obama the Love Child", etc)

Lol at killing JFK Jr. That's sub-Moonie shit there.

the prank's on me for posting on a site where you cant make vince foster jokes without Treeship posting snopes links (thanks professor fucktard) but thomp i am so disappointed by these liberal banalisms ur embracing

"fruit"?

^xp - since ILX is unlikely to change appreciably to accommodate your desires, you could always reconsider your commitment to posting to ILX

Was the debate tonight actually worth watching? They held it in my hometown and I've been to many, many events in that auditorium, had high school graduation there, etc, so I'm curious how well the entire event went.

Yes, I thought it was worth watching, but then again I've watched every single debate, so... tifwiw Was quite meaty on substance, with greater emphasis on infrastructure, education, and racial disparities than in other debates.

"Aw, please, Professor Fucktard is my _father's_ name..."

the prank's on me for posting on a site where you cant make vince foster jokes without Treeship posting snopes links (thanks professor fucktard) but thomp i am so disappointed by these liberal banalisms ur embracing

― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, March 6, 2016 11:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you seem like a nice guy

http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/20777932

xposts, continuing on the question of the debate:

Mostly what's remarkable to me, when I step back a minute, is the extent to which the center of gravity has shifted in the Dem party. For the past half-century the Dems have really pitched their flag with the middle class, and what we're seeing in 2016 is a conversation that has really foregrounded the concerns of the poor and people of color. Sure we've had from time to time candidates who operated from that axis (e.g., Jesse Jackson) but only one at a time. Here, both candidates are vying on this terrain. Yes we know The Great Pivot is a comin', post-Philly, but I still don't want to take for granted the fact that we're hearing conversations on the national stage that we just haven't heard before. Sanders deserves credit for much of this, but frankly I feel Clinton does as well, esp. in terms of bringing Afr-Am concerns to the fore. IMO however, the most credit however is owed to the activists of Occupy and Black Lives Matter.

For the past half-century the Dems have really pitched their flag with the middle class, and what we're seeing in 2016 is a conversation that has really foregrounded the concerns of the poor and people of color

Maybe because middle class of yesterday = poor of today?

I think there's a tendency on the left to assume that the failure of the impeachment of Bill Clinton was seen as a scales-falling-from-the-eyes moment like the end of Mcarthyism, where the good folk of the US saw what was really happening, leaving all quibbling to the kind of conspiracy theorist that Hungry4Ass is for some reason cosplaying.

But apart from Ken Starr, the other figures on the Republican side have all hung around and become Senior Republican Sources, and a lot of the cyclone of muckraking that hung around the Clintons is quite likely to make a reappearance in full scale.

I assumed the conspiracy theory stuff played some role in H4A's overarching agenda of Ass-pursuit

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lay off the man he's just hungry 4 that ass

The cringeworthyness I was talking about upthread is when the Sanders twitter feed tweets something like this: 'Tonight proved once again that we are well on our way towards winning this Democratic primary. Thank you, Maine!'

I get it, I get why a campaign tweets something like that, but it's still embarrassing. They know it's untrue, and we know they know it's untrue, and they know we know they know it's untrue, and still.

good morning!

go back to bed

Tonight proved once again that we are well on our way towards winning this Democratic primary.

Except i haven't seen any subliterate use of "primary" like this by any campaign.

It's a c/p, Morbs. https://twitter.com/BernieSanders

oh boy, get the friggin' intern off the twitter, Bern

The nomination is only out of reach because of the superdelegates, many of whom would switch sides if Bernie were to win more pledged delegates. He is probably going to lose but I don't understand this obsession with accelerating the process. The longer he is in the race, the more pressure the Dem establishment will have to make addressing economic inequality a priority.

You already have free healthcare and higher education Frederik. Let Americans fight for these things for fucking once without discouraging us.

Just to make it clear, I don't think it's Sanders himself who is cringeworthy for continuing, I like that he does. The cringeworthy parts come from parts of the campaign such as surrogates, spin, 'interns', all that stuff. It's tragicomic.

He is almost 200 pledged delegates behind, and the map is getting less and less good to him. 538 estimates: Michigan, Clinton 99+%. Mississippi, Clinton 99+%. Florida, Clinton 99+%. Illinois, Clinton 99%. North Carolina, Clinton 95%. Ohio, Clinton 93%. It's 'poll-plus', but still. Where is Sanders going to make up his deficit?

Also, why I of course am not US, and therefore worthless filth in the eyes of many in this thread (;)), let me just point out that 1) I've studied history and 2) As Treeship says I live in a country that won the fight for a welfare state. If you want tips on how to achieve it, just ask :)

really not doing yourself any favors