Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

ty Fred B for that v helpful hand-wringing. it would be nice if Bernie were a superhero and able to run the perfect campaign to overcome all the natural obstacles that exist between him and his election in November. it would be very nice indeed. but I think we'll all just have to live with him as he is. we're somewhat used to imperfect candidates.

imo something can be a partisan over-scrutinization but still make good points, no need to take it literally as a universal gotcha where this is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back of his campaign

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/4c270d22-401b-4f59-8c4f-ded233f4d64c/13ba1a5c-3069-4c20-aee4-9830ec8d1f36.jpg

Lol left

So much Bernie-splaining in this thread right now, I can't take it. Taking a break. Last thought: It's Bernie who NEEDS to be understood by minority voters, he needs to reach out, and he needs to have some fucking stump answers ready that doesn't mention the word 'ghetto'. It's HIM that needs to be understood, not black or hispanic voters who need to understand him. They're quite happy in this election without him.

― Frederik B, Monday, March 7, 2016 8:18 PM (14 minutes ago)

oh dear god, please stop. just stop.

^ the last words the creator heard before moving on to a new worldbuilding simulator

Fred B's message: he cares

I find most discussion of this subject exhausting tbh, both the micro-parsing of Sanders' language on race and the wheel-spinning by supporters to explain it away. Largely because I just don't think anyone has made a case that Clinton is genuinely better on any of these issues, other than perhaps being better at talking the talk.

this thread now features:

..and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.

as well as:

oh dear god, please stop. just stop.

RIP Freddy B

imo something can be a partisan over-scrutinization but still make good points, no need to take it literally as a universal gotcha where this is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back of his campaign

― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, March 7, 2016 3:24 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. more analysis, more discussion, less bizarre performative outrage

I was the one most guilty here of getting defensive about Sanders's comments ... which is ironic, given that I was (and remain) critical of it. I was def reacting to a certain "gotcha" vibe that I was getting, that felt to me like it was ignoring context.

Anyhow, I feel like Aimless's & mh's posts upthread tied everything beautifully in a ribbon, and are beautiful formulations of how to think about these things without getting knee-jerky about it.

I'll take that as an ilx happy ending.

um, critical of them

losing my grammar

at least 40% of this is libs with a modicum of conscience self-negotiating around "Christ, i'll have to suck it up and vote for Hillary in November"

brutal moral calculus of living in a swing state

I'm glad, collardio, that there were some white people around to explain the point I was making to you; now if you'll excuse me I need to take these recommendations Mr Bledsoe gave me up to Mr. Emerson's office.

am i wrong to read morbs's mention of "libs" as dripping with contempt?

reminds me of the PLP* member in my high school who after a friendly argument in the student newspaper office, screamed "LIBERAL!" at me as he walked out, expecting i guess that it was the devastating coup de grace.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Labor_Party_%28United_States%29

you're the drip

is this where I admit my position going into the caucuses was "what can I do that would irritate Morbs the most?"

well i took no note tbh

Olympic-level handwaving itt re Bernie's ghetto comments

Yeah no it's fine he totally didnt mean it the way it was *transcribed*

rmde

Cruz is expected to announce the endorsement of "more than four" senators this week

Whoa

So he's up from less than zero

Cruz to announce endorsement of "this many!" senators this week

I bet Trump counts Christie as more than 4 governors

well, that's just the weirdass way that the National Review reported it:

With the prospect of Donald Trump’s nomination looming over the GOP, Cruz is set to unveil endorsements from more than four senators this week, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432442/ted-cruz-senate-endorsements

the more-than-fourth one is Ted Cruz

Cruz, shockingly, plans to endorse Kasich

there could be dozens of endorsements coming for cruz, we cannot say for sure at this time

Is handwaving the opposite of handwringing srs question

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/ted-cruz-large.jpg?w=450&h=272

they always claim there are multiple endorsers but it usually turns out to be a lone one

they said the same thing about the zodiac killer

the more-than-fourth one is Ted Cruz

― micro brewbio (crüt), Monday, March 7, 2016 4:53 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lool

would not be surprising if 4 Senators slipped Ted a note to meet them in the cloak room at 3pm for an endorsement and that he should be wear his underwear

tryin to guess who in the Senate hates Trump enough/likes Cruz enough to endorse

first pics of ted cruz arriving at the meeting

https://headinavice.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/casino-cornfield.png?w=900

yeah idgi, I thought all his colleagues hate the guy

you're talking about the party where the four people behind Trump who spent most of a debate talking about how wholly unfit he is to be president turned around and said they would support him as the nominee if he won

true, that

Johnny Isakson?

gonna guess Shelby, Lee, maybe Blunt, Murkowski

helluva law firm

Warren, Boxer, Franken, Klobuchar

Did he say American Senators?

that'd be an awfully big tent

i'm not sure how much endorsements helps cruz, anyway. he's trying to take votes away from Trump, right? does it help Cruz to get the endorsement of conservative senator X who failed to follow through on promises dismantle obamacare or whatever angry old trump voters care about? (what they need is a true outsider who knows how to get things done like trump, a proven negotiator, and so on) and i thought part of cruz's appeal was precisely the fact that his colleagues don't like him. the whole town is pissed off at him because he's such a tough guy outsider, unwilling to compromise. now he's got colleagues who will say nice things about him, colleagues that failed to refused to shut down planned parenthood? who is "ted cruz"?

sorry, that's incomprehensible but i was trying to become one with the angry conservative mind

ted cruz is a guy who wants to be president very badly and like the rest of the country isn't sure what one needs to do this year to make that happen