Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

top google suggestions to "Ted Cruz..."
is canadian
is a robot
is...
is hispanic

wtf google has modified that, up until last week the fourth result was "is the zodiac killer"

Bloomberg officially not running is good news for Democrats.

uh not for me -- I wanted targets after Marquito loses the Sunshine State next week.

jhe was right

― Hungry4Ass, Monday, March 7, 2016 4:18 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heh. i take a tiny bit of pride in attracting insults from folks like this.

it's a full life

yeah idgi, I thought all his colleagues hate the guy
― μpright mammal (mh)

The highlight of every Republican debate for me is when Trump turns to Cruz and says "Nobody likes you." It's a gentle, well-meaning reminder.

Voting for someone you hate vs voting for someone you hate. What a dilemma.

With the prospect of Donald Trump’s nomination looming over the GOP, Cruz is set to unveil endorsements from more than four senators this week, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

In Lapine, the rabbit language from Watership Down, they would call Cruz Prince-with-a-thousand-senate-endorsements.

Frith and Inlay, what hraka these candidates are putting out. One might as well silflay with Hitler's owsla as entertain these candidates' rhetoric.

multiple xposts-

I'm glad, collardio, that there were some white people around to explain the point I was making to you; now if you'll excuse me I need to take these recommendations Mr Bledsoe gave me up to Mr. Emerson's office.

DJP, you didn't accompany the article you shared with your own comments, so why should I make any conclusions about what point you were making? I don't presume that anybody has explained anything on your behalf. All I had to go on were the excerpts you copied, and yes, I did take issue with some of Ross's readings (e.g., re the 20 year old anecdote). I do think there's lots of instances where Sanders exhibits cluelessness w/r/t race issues (and have posted about this on these primary threads). But in this case, because I focused on those points of disagreement, it came off as "Bernsplaining", I can see that.

(Way off-topic but apparently I'm able to store fictional-rabbit vocabulary in my head for 37 years SOLELY so that I can pull it out at just the right moment, but I still don't have any idea where my fucking car keys are most of the time.)

Trump is such a Bigwig.

Which makes Barack Obama Hazel, and Robert Reich is Fiver.

A hrududu full of millionaires

Kasich is the nice-seeming rabbit who invites them into the warren full of snares.

Some Rubio guy is all indignant because of a CNN story saying that Rubio's advisers are split on whether he should drop out.

In other news, Rubio's advisers are split on whether he should drop out.

I dunno at this point why quit before Florida? I guess unless yr worried about coming in 3rd your home state

^gotta be it, right? so when's this dude getting kicked out of the senate?

Cos Trump is gonna gonna blow this pic up:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Marco_Rubio_in_high_school.jpeg/398px-Marco_Rubio_in_high_school.jpeg

That's the reason--embarrassment. They also mentioned loss of VP credibility, which seems far-fetched--I know there have been some improbable 180s with VP picks, but Trump-Rubio seems unthinkable. (Cruz-Rubio, sure.)

the mind boggles as to who trump is going to pick as vp

the hulkster?

Christie is gonna feel shafted when Trump says he's going to be his own Veep

What better than one Trump? Two Trump.

otm re: Rubio's only reason to leave now is to avoid embarassment/political suicide in FL

We already consider him an embarrassment

"when's this dude getting kicked out of the senate?"

He isn't running for reelection, so his term will be up in January. But he can choose to resign earlier. (And he might, given that he pretty much said he hates the job.)

Not sure I posted this: one of our major dailies won't endorse a GOP candidate.

the mind boggles as to who trump is going to pick as vp

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Monday, March 7, 2016 7:22 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

Kasich clearly angling for it already

Trump v clearly going to run "The Apprentice: VeePee" every year of his presidency guys

the campaign machinery/collateral prepared here is bananas http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-not-running-for-president.html

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/14/behind-the-trump-phenomenon

The socioeconomic forces are real, but Trump is also the beneficiary of a long process of Republican intellectual decadence. Paul Ryan denounces Trump but not the Tea Party rhetoric that propelled his own political ascent. John McCain holds Trump in contempt, but selected as his running mate Sarah Palin, the Know-Nothing of Wasilla, one of Trump’s most vivid forerunners and supporters. Mitt Romney last week righteously slammed Trump as a “phony” and a misogynist, and yet in 2012 he embraced Trump’s endorsement and praised his “extraordinary” understanding of economics.

who is Dennis Perrin btw

― micro brewbio (crüt), Monday, March 7, 2016 11:52 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think he's the gawker guy

Not to worry, everyone. They're gonna get this mess all sorted out.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/56ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d

Third google answer for "Ted Cruz is" for me: Ted Cruz is a Microdont.

Amazing

DJP, you didn't accompany the article you shared with your own comments, so why should I make any conclusions about what point you were making? I don't presume that anybody has explained anything on your behalf. All I had to go on were the excerpts you copied, and yes, I did take issue with some of Ross's readings (e.g., re the 20 year old anecdote). I do think there's lots of instances where Sanders exhibits cluelessness w/r/t race issues (and have posted about this on these primary threads). But in this case, because I focused on those points of disagreement, it came off as "Bernsplaining", I can see that.

Part of this is my fault; I had typed out something on two separate Facebook conversations and thought I'd also typed something out here. Regarding the 20 year old anecdote, while I am certain we can all agree that the question was terrible, answering "where are your blind spots with regards to race" with "20 years ago, I learned that black people have problems getting cabs" and following it up with statements filtered through your economic justice filter that turn issues that face the entire black American population into issues that only affect poor people implies that poverty is an intrinsic part of the black experience and leads to these interactions. Which, obviously, is horseshit, and should be challenged rather than handwaved.

DJP, your summary brings it together really clearly, thank you. That kinda sums up why I was leaning towards the position of the article you linked even though I at first felt similarly to some of the other posters here that in some way Sanders was being misread or taken out of context.

I do still feel like some of the coverage of this has pulled parts of his response out of context, and that the "ghetto" part was way more problematic than the comment on policing, and that it's not 100% clear that Sanders is saying that this experience of the police is exclusive to poor communities, and that his ropey taxi anecdote suggests that in his mind it's definitely not that - even Congresspersons experience racism, etc. etc. He's an old guy and his thoughts don't hang together perfectly and I think he kinda drifted from one thought to another and some parts of it fit this picture of the all-economic-justice filter more than others.

But... even with all that said, this is one spot where I think it's fair to say, let's demand something better from our dream progressive radical candidate than that a discussion of racism always means a discussion of impoverished black inner-city dwellers. (I don't want them cut out of the picture either, and it's cool that he wants to talk about their problems IMO because ever since Clinton I it's kinda just been middle-class this middle-class that.) But yeah I don't want to be in the position of saying "Oh well, he's so very very right on so many things, can't we just let this one little thing that he doesn't 'get' pass by?" Cause actually this thing is kind of a big deal. Like maybe next time we can get a candidate who when they get these questions we all go, holy fuck, Candidate OTM, rather than having to carefully parse the "got sorta in the ballpark of something great" and "totally blew it" parts of the answer.

and yeah i know i kinda waffled my way through the first couple paragraphs there. it's hard for me to let go of the impulse to defend him; i'm fond of this guy and his candidacy! but i do think the surer critical position is to demand better, not to make excuses.

great post

From a Facebook friend of a friend:

Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and share my experience at Donald Trump's rally in Warren, MI today. We'll start with why I went. I am a firm believer in being educated on ALL candidates, not just the one you're rooting for, so redacted and I decided to attend. If you know me, it's no surprise that I am not a fan of Trump due to his racist, misogynist, and popularity-searching "campaign". But I try to keep an open mind, understanding that people have different views and everyone is entitled to their own. I wore a shirt bashing Trump, and redacted wore a pro-Bernie Sanders baseball hat. We had no intentions of causing a scene, starting any fights, or even speaking negatively towards any Trump-supporters.

We stood in the crowd with everyone else, even made small talk with a few different people, asking back and forth about each other's views. A women supporting Trump even complimented our hat and shirt. This is not a post to bash all Trump-supporters. Most of the people we spoke to were very kind to us, as we were to them. Trump came out and started his speech. As hard as it was, we ignored the screams and chants of building walls and exporting citizens. We stood quietly and listened to the man speak. Every 15 or so minutes, a scene would happen where the crowd would yell about protestors and Trump would scream, "Get them out, send them out of here!" and the crowd would scream "USA, USA, USA" until the attendees who were asked to leave were escorted out.

So, about 45 minutes to an hour into his speech, a group of teenage boys (who had been harassing us the entire time while we ignored their comments) screamed and pointed at us, yelling for us to be kicked out. At first we laughed it off, of course we couldn't be kicked out, we were just standing here silently. Wrong. A secret service member and a police officer were there within the minute, grabbed redacted and I by our arms, and started to lead us out. One of the Trump supporters we were chatting with even stood up for us, explaining that we weren't doing anything and weren't being disruptive. By now the crowd was chanting their USA run and a large portion was also booing us out.

The walk through the crowd was very upsetting, being screamed at and filmed, even one man said "Go to China if you like communism so much!" (Communism?? Don't you mean democratic socialism??). But also, along the walk out, some attendees would high five us or shake our hands, and thank us for coming and supporting Bernie. It felt weird to be thanked, due to us not doing anything besides standing quietly. As the two men walked us out, one explained that if we returned we would be arrested. Redacted quickly asked why that was. The man replied with "They don't want you here," to which she said "Isn't it a constitutional right to silently protest?" The officer replied "Not here."

The rude remarks and yells didn't stop at the door, for Trump-supporters who didn't get in greeted us with just as much hatred. The walk back to my truck even included a man yelling from his car about how this was for Trump people and that we didn't belong here and shouldn't have come. This kind of hatred is what is ruining this country. To think that my right to protest was taken from me AT A RALLY, scares the hell out of me for if Trump actually became president and got that power. What else would he take away from us if he can't even stand two teenage girls standing silently at a FREE, PUBLIC, OPEN-TO-EVERYONE event? If you're thinking of voting Trump this year, please rethink your stance. This much hate belongs nowhere near the presidency.

^^
frightening.

fair points -- not you, frederik -- but i guess i wonder why sanders is being quite so shit upon? as a white guy he has certainly not experienced racism like black americans have; he offered a personal anecdote that was an eye-opening moment for him. maybe he should have realized it sooner -- and reinforced that nothing has changed -- and maybe his anecdote should have encompassed the larger black experience, but compared to platitudes like

But she said that she takes seriously the struggles that nonwhite Americans face, as well as the worry this injects in their lives. She alluded to the pain and fear suffered by the parents of Trayvon Martin, a black teenager killed by a neighborhood watchman in Florida in 2012, and many others like him and said that she has tried to encourage other white Americans to give that some thought.

it doesn't seem so off. how is 'taking seriously the struggles' or 'trying to encourage white americans to give that some thought' significantly better?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272153-trump-i-think-i-get-the-worst-publicity

“They make up stories, they write stuff. If you sneeze, they make a big deal out of it. I’ve been No. 1 almost from the beginning. These people are so stupid. These ads are so vicious and they’re so false,” he said. "These are the worst, most dishonest ads I have ever seen. I don’t need this folks,” Trump added of his White House run. "I had such an easy life. (I have) a wonderful family, a wonderful company (and) a wonderful everything. My whole life has been about taking, grabbing, greed. Now it’s about taking for the United States.”

this guy is messed up psychologically

like seriously why isn't this attack #1? he's unstable. he has some kind of personality disorder. all this whining and complaining about poor, poor donald over reporters doing their jobs and some ads he doesn't like.

Two suburban, semi-rural communities bordering my city were in the news last week. One had an incident where people were yelling "Trump!" and making "build a wall" comments at a visiting, mostly Latino basketball team. Another had a school board meeting where it was decided high school students in the district should be saying the pledge of allegiance daily.

The high school near me in the city, however, repurposed one of the teacher-only restrooms as a non-gendered restroom any student can use.

xpost maybe the next step here for those who are willing to go through with it is, turn right back around and return to the trump rally and get yourselves arrested. see how that plays once they start actually arresting people

thanks for your helpful response djp.

and doctor casino.

super-otm both.

nothing to add.

now please allow me to take this fucking "bernsplainer" costume off.

He's yelling at a small arena near here this Friday or next Friday, and I briefly thought about taking my kids to hang at a silent protest, but it's just not worth it. It'd be like taking them to hang at a Limp Bizkit show.

A Limp Bizkit show would be safer and more fulfilling.