Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

- you did nothing wrong
- the world still should be yours
- i'm going to take back what you perceive to be yours

there's no "helping" language, just entitlement. what you had should have been yours forever, even if it's something that no longer exists. take it.

as in the postwar myth of middle-class prosperity ("each generation will be somewhat better off") was implicitly promised through the culture, and that shit is gone.

Silver:

If the Republican nomination were contested under Democratic delegate rules instead, Trump would find it almost impossible to get a majority of delegates, and a floor fight in Cleveland would already be all but inevitable. If every state awarded its delegates winner-take-all, conversely, Trump would be much further ahead, although the bigger swings these rules enable would give his opponents a chance to catch up later on.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-would-be-easy-to-stop-under-democratic-rules/

xxp not only that but he makes everything seem so easy. Mexico's gonna pay for the wall, the military will commit war crimes because I told them to, we're gonna cut taxes by restructuring bad trade agreements, bing bing bing. other candidates won't do it because they're too in bed with XYZ or they're afraid of being politically incorrect. bong, bong, bong.

it's an interest shift in terminology when "takers" used to mean people who absconded with wealth they didn't necessarily earn, and it's now some revenge fantasy of taking what you want from the abstract forces of NAFTA and immigration

it's also a weird disconnect from the new economy. do you know who's buying a lot of pieces of farm equipment that cost $200k each? china, ukraine, a number of other countries that are getting on the large scale agriculture bandwagon

When your life has become a dead end street...I shall build a tall gilded tower at one end, and an enormous wall at the other. From within this enclosure we shall make terrific deals. You will feel good. You already feel better, just picturing this. I know it. My hands are powerful, my tower tall.

hey mh, i think your posts have been super thoughtful and i'm gonna try to remember to direct ppl to them next time there's a condescending dismissal of (non-liberal) bernie/trump middle america working class whites

see i dont trust these polls. number one the media distorts everything anyways. number two Trump is a huge celebrity and when people are polled or interviewed or otherwise engaged by the media on this they have a role to play. this is a roll enforced through Trump rallies and media analysis alike. people in general in America have a heavily distorted view of media figures and the power of the media itself (listen to me lol). any poll where they are asked a question on some big edgy topic is kind of putting them on the spot. i don't think people are this racist or this xenophobic but the media needs them to be for all their Trump articles.

to me he is just saying things he doesnt actually believe in just to get attention. he knows he can't do the things he says bc they are impossible, he is just saying it to get attention.

GOP Statisticians Develop New Branch Of Math To Formulate Scenarios In Which Trump Doesn’t Win Nomination

he is the trollwave candidate

so you're a supporter?

GOP Soothsayer Looks At Astronomical Charts

i support Sanders that's it.

i am your feared "Bernie Bro" in the ILX nomenclature of the day

Trump is speaking to what people perceive as the things that have led to negative changes in their own lives. Whether those are the real forces at work depends on the issue, and he has no ability now or ever to change some of them, but he's saying exactly what people want to hear

yes, and there's something not dissimilar in Sanders. free college tuition, single-payer healthcare. how many really expect these to come about? the feasibility is somewhat beside the point. what's more important is the fact that the demand is voiced. the voicing of the demand fulfills many functions: it is a negotiating stance, it is an expression of exasperation (despair even), it also outlines a vision. the very fact that it is outlandish and "out there" is an inherent part of its intended appeal.

free college tuition, single-payer healthcare. how many really expect these to come about?

it's called negotiating. it involves putting something you want on the table in the first place.

who cares if these things never materialize. people still give Obama shit for not closing guantanamo and doing a bunch of other stuff he promised. every politician promises more than they can do. do you not realize this?

i think fixing tuition is something feasible whereas building a wall to keep Mexico out and having them pay for it is different. yet people are connoting the two candidates like they are alike. it's absurd.

those goals are in theory long-term attainable with milestones along the way -- it could be argued that we're on a long-term march toward single payer with the affordable care act, but expecting significant movement in the next four or eight years is aggressive. we're stuck trying to clean up the individual states and their efforts to privatize or legislate their way around requirements right now. college education finance needs a lot of reform and, with a few stopgaps in place, we're still trickling toward long-term irreconcilable student debt

then there are the actionable, concrete proposals like "build a wall" that are completely unfeasible but very punchy talking points

to be clear: I don't mean to say that Sanders's and Trump's proposals are equally outlandish, but I do think that for supporters of both there's a feeling of, "ok, probably not going happen, but I'm glad someone is proposing that."

because, of course, I can read minds

it's called negotiating. it involves putting something you want on the table in the first place.

I did mention that they fulfill a function as negotiating stances!

they're different flavors of pie in the sky, but both are catering to an audience that wants easily recognizable goals

I don't see it exactly as negotiating so much as changing the terms of the debate. I mean sorry, but that's not how negotiating works, you don't just say a really really big number and figure they'll meet you halfway, the other side is a sentient being that can see the lay of the land as well as you do. And you have to have a position to negotiate from.

that is how DT negotiates irl, which is why he mostly owns naming rights on overpriced luxury properties and veblen goods right now

I mean Bernie Sanders vs a GOP congress: "I demand free college tuition" would not be an effective "negotiating" technique -- or else what? However his speaking about it can help to shift the populace into a mindset of thinking "yes, actually college SHOULD be affordable," which can in turn lead to pressure on govt in the long run.

who cares if these things never materialize. people still give Obama shit for not closing guantanamo and doing a bunch of other stuff he promised. every politician promises more than they can do. do you not realize this?

of course I do. I also think there's varying degrees of feasibility. When O promised he would close Guantanamo, my sense is that a lot of people thought this was doable within his term. Sanders's proposals are a little different: he acknowledges that he can't do it alone. that he needs "millions and millions" of us to help him out.

I mean Bernie Sanders vs a GOP congress: "I demand free college tuition" would not be an effective "negotiating" technique -- or else what? However his speaking about it can help to shift the populace into a mindset of thinking "yes, actually college SHOULD be affordable," which can in turn lead to pressure on govt in the long run.

yes exactly. it doesn't necessarily mean an outright deal negotiation. it's about shifting expectations and discourse.

I mean the clear distinction between Sanders and Trump in this sense is that Sanders says we'll need a political revolution if we want any of his proposals enacted, whereas Trump is more like "it'll happen because I'll say so." In either case, one is left with a yawning gap, a large question mark, between "promise" and fulfillment.

A Dumb Bro, No?

what you had should have been yours forever, even if it's something that no longer exists. take it.

Even if it's something that *never* existed, like an America in which the women and the blacks were happy and knew their place.

“Sometimes we’ll do it for fun, and they’ll start screaming at me, ‘Do the swear-in! Do the swear-in!’” Trump said on “Today.” “If it’s offensive, if there’s anything wrong with it, I wouldn’t do it.”

Given the similarities to Hitler’s “Heil” salute, Trump was asked if he would stop doing the pledge.

“Well, I’ll certainly look into it,” Trump replied. “I mean, I’d like to find out that that’s true, but I’ll certainly look into it, because I don’t want to offend anybody. But I can tell you that it’s been amazingly received.”

where does Trump find all the time to look into all these things

When thinking about how to get Mexico to build the wall.

Wait is he "looking into" the heil salute...? Like he's gonna find out what it was?

he also needed to look into the kkk

lol: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bush-family-member-endorses-cruz-220433

the heil thing, like everything else in his campaign, felt like a joke he was playing on his supporters

lol neil

I like how Cruz roped the slimiest Bush bro

Margin supports Buchanan iirc

Margin too

Sanders is different from Trump because his agenda is a part of an established political philosophy and Donald Tenor Trump's platform is Donald Trump is great and will fix stuff

otoh trump comes from an established political philosophy too - and one that he purportedly has studied over the years

whoah I had no idea Trump had ROY FUCKING COHN lobby Es Meese to appoint Trump's sister to her judgeship.

i don't think sanders is anywhere near the existential threat as trump (tho i don't really think he's much of one either but clearly they are separated by leagues)

Cohn was Trump's lawyer!

xp

Roy Cohn: No. I have clout. Lots. I pick up that phone, dial 15 numbers, and guess who's on the other end of the line? In under five minutes, Henry.

Henry: The President.

Roy Cohn: Better — his wife.

just chatted with a local black small-business-owner here in Wisconsin who's voting Bernie

yes that post was my audition to replace thomas friedman at the new york times

where in wisconsin?

you know, i was reading about the oregon standoff folks today, and i'm surprised trump hasn't gone in on the feds over that stuff -- seems up his alley to float some conspiracy theories, gov't tyranny yadda yadda. wouldn't put it past him to glorify a bunch of militiamen.

just chatted with a local black small-business-owner here in Wisconsin who's voting Bernie

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:56 PM

uh no dude this is Freddie B in disguise

ratfucking the election