Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

"The United States was wrong in trying to invade Cuba," trying to overthrow the Nicaraguan government in the eighties and Arbenz in Guatemala, Sanders says, responding to a clip of a frizzy-haired gruffer version of himself scowling at a cute young reporter as he explains how Cuba has educated its citizens. He still sticks with that line (I'm reminded of what the late Christopher Hitchens wrote about the wonders of Cuban education in the late nineties: most Cubans can read but there's nothing on the island worth reading). Clinton disagrees: the Castros trample human rights, disappear citizens (true). The crowd roars. Yet because she by her admission helped Obama begin negotiations with the Castros she accepts Sanders' claim that healed relations are ultimately good for Cubans and business.

btw if anyone gives a damn I've live blogged this shit.

This is right out of The Candidate: use your closing statement to list all the things that weren't mentioned tonight. Clinton wisely did not go all Crocker Jarmon.

thanks Alfred

at a shelter for unaccompanied migrant kids in Miami one time, one of the Cuban workers there quoted me an entire passage out of Lope de Vega. impressive.

he had memorized it in elementary school

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i don't think other specifications with the same data would have given drastically results. like, what weighting scheme do you use to not have a confident bet that clinton would win using this data?

and

But I think you're wrong about the problem lying with the handicapping of the polling firms. There wasn't a single poll that gave Sanders a shot, so how would ranging them differently change the outcome?

my point is not that pollsters should have been weighted differently, my point is that they should all have been treated with less confidence.

what should he have done instead? it's ok to say 50/50! it's ok to say i don't know.

oh my, that is the one answer murricans do not accept

Amanda Marcotte
@AmandaMarcotte
@darcyjamesargue His advocacy for propping up the Sandinistas calls into question his claim to a non-interventionist history.

ffs

seems like this person might have a horse in the race

it's true, a real non-interventionist would have sold arms to iran to fund right-wing terrorists

having a horse is fine; this is absurd on every level

yeah i don't think any serious person follows marcotte for smart, objective takes

(tbf those are not terribly easy to come by)

propping up elected governments, something Henry Kissinger could seldom be accused of doing

dlh it's not that i don't believe russell claimed that, it's that i'm not sure he was right

oh gotcha, yeah for another thread.

amanda marcotte is even worse than sady doyle

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welp, i read that 2010 article on the Kochs, that was super depressing thanks ILX

sandersnistas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XXEHZsAkR0

I know I know dnftt etc but

"Frederik B
Posted: March 9, 2016 at 9:05:07 PM
Oh, shit, forgot one thing. Every new new deal policy needs to deal with racial impact. Free college, for example. Research shows that a college degree improves the lifetime wages of a white student much more than a black one. So giving free college education to everyone is giving white people a lot more money than black people. Every new new deal policy needs to figure this shit out, and correct for it.

Off to sleep. Have a good debate, everyone."

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

I had a bunch of specific WHAT THE FUCK reactions to that one but ugh why bother

Can't u ....... yknow......do something

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Xp in honor of long standing Ilx tradition, I have banned Frederick from The Church

Also I have created an autosubstitute where "new new deal" is replaced by "bag of rotting assholes"

The compromise of a Hilary when I needed the fire of a sanders sorry jjj I'm voting strongo in 16

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdKGvYgUkAA0cG_.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dWMIuipn_c

Remember when Howard Dean was railroaded out of the 2004 Dem primaries for acting 1000x more dignified than this? C'mon, biased liberal media, do that thing you do.

I've been reading (slowly) "Dark Money," and it's proven an ironic backdrop to the current campaign season, in that the GOP candidates with the most money and/or libertarian cred got knocked out early, and the Democrat with the tightest ties to money has been neck and neck with the grassroots guys. I don't know if the ongoing Koch bros. charm offensive has gotten in the way of their evil meddling, but it seems like these conservative foundations don't have a real voice in this race.

the coda to Dark Money is that the Kochs are horrified Trump's gonna be the nominee.

I guess if there's one heartening takeaway from Trump's ascendancy it's learning that shadowy billionaires don't have quite as much control over the puppet show as they'd like to think they do.

fortunately heartless millionaires have state legislatures and assemblies with which to play.

C'mon, biased liberal media, do that thing you do.

Bern still scariest to WaPo and the like

Kochs, et al. have done just fine for 7+ years without one of their guys in the White House. in fact, things like ACA and climate change have been a boon to whipping up donor-class outrage and subsequent spending.

Paglia angling for that VP spot

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_was_wrong_about_donald_trump_camille_paglia_on_the_gop_front_runners_refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/

Wd love to see how she'd redecorate the Senate chamber

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_was_wrong_about_donald_trump_camille_paglia_on_the_gop_front_runners_refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/

― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles)

"I read with some glee that Doanld Trump had indeed, in his words, 'taken a crap' on a Mexican immigrant. Let me say well done! I admire when our leaders keep their promises! Too often we elect empty suits uttering scripted lines. In addition, Trump's action reminds me of pagan rituals associated with Dionysian cults."

If Trump wins the White House, that no-holds-barred video will go down in history as “the shot heard round the world,” Ralph Waldo Emerson’s phrase for the first salvo of the American Revolution by rural insurgents at Concord. (How many words is this yet?)

Paglia's quotes increasingly remind me of monkeys with typewriters

so i feel like maybe i missed out on some time in the past when paglia was good because i always kinda had this impression she was a really respected thinker etc etc

but in general everything i've read my her (and this is let's say mostly ILX link in the last 10 years) has been like hot garbage, did she used to be better?

jesus fucking chris paglia go away

"so i feel like maybe i missed out on some time in the past when paglia was good because i always kinda had this impression she was a really respected thinker etc etc"

I think she had some respect when sexual personae first came out but she became tiresome almost immediately after that

But Trump is a workaholic who doesn’t drink and who has an interesting penchant for sophisticated, strong-willed European women.

She's got me convinced!

"His apartment has many leather-bound books and smells of mahogany."

I'm pretty sure Paglia is Italian for Palin. Makes you think....

Kinda shocked she can relate to a candid buffoon.

That said, I do think Trump's lack of a censor btwn brain and mouth could be a political advantage in "debates" vs HRC, who generally can't fake spontaneity in any way, flattering or not.

I was reading the quotes excerpted here thinking "surely this is a satirical piece, why are people taking it seriously" and then I started reading the actual piece and hoo boy

My quote was fiction.

yeah but the others weren't