Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

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amanda marcotte is even worse than sady doyle

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 March 2016 05:04 (eight years ago) link

http://www.flagburning.org/halfmast.gif

am0n, Thursday, 10 March 2016 05:05 (eight years ago) link

welp, i read that 2010 article on the Kochs, that was super depressing thanks ILX

Nhex, Thursday, 10 March 2016 05:07 (eight years ago) link

sandersnistas

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Thursday, 10 March 2016 05:10 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XXEHZsAkR0

schwantz, Thursday, 10 March 2016 05:31 (eight years ago) link

I know I know dnftt etc but

"Frederik B
Posted: March 9, 2016 at 9:05:07 PM
Oh, shit, forgot one thing. Every new new deal policy needs to deal with racial impact. Free college, for example. Research shows that a college degree improves the lifetime wages of a white student much more than a black one. So giving free college education to everyone is giving white people a lot more money than black people. Every new new deal policy needs to figure this shit out, and correct for it.

Off to sleep. Have a good debate, everyone."

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 March 2016 07:49 (eight years ago) link

I had a bunch of specific WHAT THE FUCK reactions to that one but ugh why bother

Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 March 2016 07:51 (eight years ago) link

Can't u ....... yknow......do something

Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2016 08:06 (eight years ago) link

Xp in honor of long standing Ilx tradition, I have banned Frederick from The Church

Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 March 2016 08:16 (eight years ago) link

Also I have created an autosubstitute where "new new deal" is replaced by "bag of rotting assholes"

Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 March 2016 08:19 (eight years ago) link

The compromise of a Hilary when I needed the fire of a sanders sorry jjj I'm voting strongo in 16

Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2016 08:25 (eight years ago) link

Remember when Howard Dean was railroaded out of the 2004 Dem primaries for acting 1000x more dignified than this? C'mon, biased liberal media, do that thing you do.

how's life, Thursday, 10 March 2016 13:24 (eight years ago) link

I've been reading (slowly) "Dark Money," and it's proven an ironic backdrop to the current campaign season, in that the GOP candidates with the most money and/or libertarian cred got knocked out early, and the Democrat with the tightest ties to money has been neck and neck with the grassroots guys. I don't know if the ongoing Koch bros. charm offensive has gotten in the way of their evil meddling, but it seems like these conservative foundations don't have a real voice in this race.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 March 2016 13:37 (eight years ago) link

the coda to Dark Money is that the Kochs are horrified Trump's gonna be the nominee.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link

I guess if there's one heartening takeaway from Trump's ascendancy it's learning that shadowy billionaires don't have quite as much control over the puppet show as they'd like to think they do.

Buckles On My Goulashes (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:16 (eight years ago) link

fortunately heartless millionaires have state legislatures and assemblies with which to play.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:17 (eight years ago) link

C'mon, biased liberal media, do that thing you do.

Bern still scariest to WaPo and the like

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link

Kochs, et al. have done just fine for 7+ years without one of their guys in the White House. in fact, things like ACA and climate change have been a boon to whipping up donor-class outrage and subsequent spending.

evol j, Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:46 (eight years ago) link

Wd love to see how she'd redecorate the Senate chamber

brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:57 (eight years ago) link

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_was_wrong_about_donald_trump_camille_paglia_on_the_gop_front_runners_refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/

― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles)

"I read with some glee that Doanld Trump had indeed, in his words, 'taken a crap' on a Mexican immigrant. Let me say well done! I admire when our leaders keep their promises! Too often we elect empty suits uttering scripted lines. In addition, Trump's action reminds me of pagan rituals associated with Dionysian cults."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2016 14:59 (eight years ago) link

If Trump wins the White House, that no-holds-barred video will go down in history as “the shot heard round the world,” Ralph Waldo Emerson’s phrase for the first salvo of the American Revolution by rural insurgents at Concord. (How many words is this yet?)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:00 (eight years ago) link

Paglia's quotes increasingly remind me of monkeys with typewriters

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:01 (eight years ago) link

so i feel like maybe i missed out on some time in the past when paglia was good because i always kinda had this impression she was a really respected thinker etc etc

but in general everything i've read my her (and this is let's say mostly ILX link in the last 10 years) has been like hot garbage, did she used to be better?

robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link

jesus fucking chris paglia go away

akm, Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link

"so i feel like maybe i missed out on some time in the past when paglia was good because i always kinda had this impression she was a really respected thinker etc etc"

I think she had some respect when sexual personae first came out but she became tiresome almost immediately after that

akm, Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link

But Trump is a workaholic who doesn’t drink and who has an interesting penchant for sophisticated, strong-willed European women.

She's got me convinced!

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:03 (eight years ago) link

"His apartment has many leather-bound books and smells of mahogany."

T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:04 (eight years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Paglia is Italian for Palin. Makes you think....

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link

Kinda shocked she can relate to a candid buffoon.

That said, I do think Trump's lack of a censor btwn brain and mouth could be a political advantage in "debates" vs HRC, who generally can't fake spontaneity in any way, flattering or not.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link

I was reading the quotes excerpted here thinking "surely this is a satirical piece, why are people taking it seriously" and then I started reading the actual piece and hoo boy

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:09 (eight years ago) link

My quote was fiction.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:10 (eight years ago) link

yeah but the others weren't

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:19 (eight years ago) link

Must admit I had that book in college. She's surfin' the wave of the NINETIES! Gleefully snickering iconoclasms galore!

And every sentence is in the first person: I responded enthusiastically to this, I abhorred that, this art repels me, this art validates who I am, this thinker is insufficiently aligned with me, that thinker is excessively interested in me, me, me.

brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link

I'm fine with first person - I absolutely hate it when cultural critics (or any other type of essayist) use "we" - as in, "Why We All Love Bruce Springsteen." My instantaneous reaction is "Fuck you, I'm not part of your 'we.'" Saying "I" is definitely preferable.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link

Yes but it can be overdone. I have read quite a lot of art criticism, and usually there are at least some sentences that discuss the work at hand. This is a painting my Berthe Morisot, here are some things about that painting. Here is a record by Magnetic Fields, and here are some things that are on the record. This movie is about some people moving about in rooms and saying things to each other.

But just as you can't spell CAMILLE PAGLIA without ME I, almost everything is "When I first saw X, I responded like Y, because clearly they had read my essays on Z."

brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link

The godmother of #slatepitches

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link

in other news
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/707910779698216960

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link

xpost OMG I don't think I'd seen that McSweeney, it makes my lame-ass attempted Pagliaparodies worse than redundant. Almost impossible to top "As an Amazon with the brain of a pre-Stonewall gay man, I..."

brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

pretty sure that was randy meisner who threw that sucker-punch

hunangarage, Thursday, 10 March 2016 17:03 (eight years ago) link

At this rate, it shouldn't be more than a month or so until we get to hear Trump explain that his rebranded swastika isn't a swastika at all but a 'loyalty trademark' or something.

Anus The Untouchable (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 March 2016 17:18 (eight years ago) link

Kevin Williamson on Paglia:

She is also, unhappily, exactly right about Ted Cruz’s stage presence:

I mean that she is correct about the impression Cruz sometimes gives, not about the substance. The substance of Ted Cruz is his constitutional scholarship, his quick mind, and his deep patriotism. The substance of Donald Trump is some sort of howling psychosis playing itself out in public for ends that Sigmund Freud himself would hesitate to consider. The problem is that voters are not reliably all that good at distinguishing impressions from substance. Camille Paglia is a scholar of surfaces. Let us hope that the electorate is not entirely out of its depth.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2016 17:44 (eight years ago) link

I found it improbable if not impossible that Trump could survive his klutz-o-rama cascade of foot-in-mouth flubs, from carelessly categorizing Mexican immigrants as rapists to hallucinating about “thousands’ of Muslims cheering the fall of the twin towers from the mean streets of New Jersey.

whoops!

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 10 March 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link

pretty sure paglia dresses up in a nazi uniform to get off

akm, Thursday, 10 March 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link


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