Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

xp but maybe the solution isn't making the pie smaller, it's just making sure that it's being redistributed at heavier, more equitable, levels?

xp: oh dear lord

Jesus fuckin Christ

Who will say anything to be president?

wtf Hillary

seriously that is gross

excerpt from the national conversation

Q: Larry, does the President have any reaction to the announcement—the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, that AIDS is now an epidemic and have over 600 cases?
MR. SPEAKES: What’s AIDS?
Q: Over a third of them have died. It’s known as “gay plague.” (Laughter.) No, it is. I mean it’s a pretty serious thing that one in every three people that get this have died. And I wondered if the President is aware of it?
MR. SPEAKES: I don’t have it. Do you? (Laughter.)
Q: No, I don’t.
MR. SPEAKES: You didn’t answer my question.
Q: Well, I just wondered, does the President—
MR. SPEAKES: How do you know? (Laughter.)
Q: In other words, the White House looks on this as a great joke?
MR. SPEAKES: No, I don’t know anything about it, Lester.
Q: Does the President, does anybody in the White House know about this epidemic, Larry?
MR. SPEAKES: I don’t think so. I don’t think there’s been any—
Q: Nobody knows?
MR. SPEAKES: There has been no personal experience here, Lester.
Q: No, I mean, I thought you were keeping—
MR. SPEAKES: I checked thoroughly with Dr. Ruge this morning and he’s had no—(laughter)—no patients suffering from AIDS or whatever it is.
Q: The President doesn’t have gay plague, is that what you’re saying or what?
MR. SPEAKES: No, I didn’t say that.
Q: Didn’t say that?
MR. SPEAKES: I thought I heard you on the State Department over there. Why didn’t you stay there? (Laughter.)
Q: Because I love you, Larry, that’s why. (Laughter.)
MR. SPEAKES: Oh, I see. Just don’t put it in those terms, Lester. (Laughter.)
Q: Oh, I retract that.
MR. SPEAKES: I hope so.
Q: It’s too late.

idg why she'd say something so dumb + ahistorical - like not even getting what the expected political gain is. who is the targeted constituency for whitewashing reagan's record on HIV? it's obv not conservatives. it's certainly not liberals. it's def not anyone who knows anything about the topic.

sounds stupidly reactive to me and myopic in the sense that she probably discussed HIV with nancy when she was the first lady and this is her personal take.

hope to god she's trying to stick a needle in the old woman by even bringing it up

but i really doubt it.

If there is a shred of meaningful LGBT activism left, I know a candidate who is going to have some blood thrown on her in the near future...

not seeing this in her twitter feed fwiw

quote not coming up on google searches either

wait, i think MSNBC twitter is quoting her right now, speaking at nancy's funeral? amirong

It's still in the MSNBC feed

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/708363242737766401

ah here it is, said on live TV

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/708363242737766401

xposts

Very weird. Maybe she is just confused and has it backwards.

tbf she says "BECAUSE of president and particularly Mrs. Reagan" which is... well slightly different

so good on her feet (Kissinger loves me), and her ass (Nancy was an AIDS activist)

here shakey

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/708363242737766401

i'll wait for the reasonable liberal pundits to write about how no presidential candidate in 2016 can say something so misinformed

their intransigence/silence definitely mobilized activists lol

lol keeping up the tradition of triple-posting links itt obv xp myself

Kissinger helped start a national conversation about dictatorships in Latin America.

sad lol @ "very effective low-key advocacy" ugh

As one of the few gay men who posts on this thread and as someone fascinated by the Reagans, I'd like a national conversation on how she can fuck off and die.

the PATCO firings started a national conversation on unions

my transcription:

"it may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980's and because of both President and Mrs Reagan (in particular Mrs. Reagan), we started a national conversation when before, nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it... and you know that too is something that I really appreciate with her very effective low key advocacy but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, 'Hey we have to do something about this too'."

It's technically true to say that the Reagans helped start a national conversation about AIDS, in much the same way that an ex-coworker of mine helped start a conversation about race relations when he declared his affinity for the KKK.

check out the advocacy! http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/nancy-reagan-turned-down-rock-hudsons-plea-for-help-seven-we#.ykNX6y1bg

how can anyone do "very effective low key advocacy" that "penetrates the public conscience."

if you're going to say nice bullshit tho why bring up something that no reagan fans will care about and that is false? she couldn't find anything else w/ slightly more reality than the reagans and HIV? she should've praised nancy for her excellent seance skillz.

if i may rephrase that reactionary closet fag Ed Koch, gays would be craaaaazy to vote for Clinton

in my dream world hillary just talked for a solid 40 mins on astrology

tbf (and tbf there is no reason tbf) this sounded like an off-the-cuff remark to me rather than a prepared statement.
like she had read a piece in the paper a few days ago about how nancy doesn't deserve to be held in high esteem because of the way she helped contribute to the mass ignorance and denial around HIV in the eighties and HRC just kinda reflexively pushed back

if you're going to say nice bullshit tho why bring up something that no reagan fans will care about and that is false

^^^

"now one thing people don't know about nancy is that she could summon pretty much anyone from the dead."

idk Maybe Nancy whispered "gays" in Ambassador Gromyko's ear instead of Ronnie's

just praise her for her fashion sense or hair or devotion to her husband or something

xp

the degree of distrust i take inherent from anyone who says "it may be hard for your viewers to remember" on television
it's a dog whistle that says "I WILL BE VOICING MY OWN OPINIONS AS HISTORY FROM THIS POINT ON"

when you see the video, the part where she says "and you know that too is something that I really appreciate with her" is clearly a moment where a little voice in her head says "uh oh, i think i just said some total bullshit, i should probably wrap this up"

let's just throw some oxymoronic word salad about very effective low key advocacy and get back to the limo

in more mundane pandering, nice move, Marco:

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/708328767366832128

Part of me thinks that as a person who has spent most of her life in politics Hillary Clinton can say nothing without ridiculous warning lights blinking in head and can only speak in the slovenly language of non-responsibility and therefore should be cut some slack but the rest of me wants to throw her off a cliff.

...the inflation-adjusted annual median household income in Michigan fell by about $14,000 a year — down to about $52,000 — from 1999 to 2014.

How could this be true? Wouldn't that mean the average family income in 1999 was $27,000 in today's dollars?

Sorry, $277,000 per year.

as it may be hard for our readers to remember, let's meet a few of those men who benefited from Nancy's very effective low key advocacy and continue to reap the rewards of the hard fought progress her husband made those many years ago
http://projects.sfchronicle.com/2016/living-with-aids/story/

It's hard to mock up a possible apology... "Alzheimers! I meant Alzheimers."

Michigan's median family income in 1999 according to census data was $44,667 unadjusted ($63,519.37 adjusted to 2016)

census data: https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/state/state1.html
inflation calculator: http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Sorry, $277,000 per year.

― nickn

no that would be per year but yes that sentence was worded terribly,she just meant to say it dropped 14,000 in total