Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

Lol did u even read that esquire link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdUX3SkUYAElOpw.jpg

grandma! you're alive!

i did xp

man, if they don't pull a sting on the Donald in Cleveland, this country is going to have a helluva Oktoberfest.

Did u notice how hillary's bit gets like one paragraph 3/4ths of the way in? Story will be gone by next week, its already getting buried by chicago shenanigans

Christ you are a schmuck

soft bigotry of low expectations at its finest xp

the damage is done and will be remembered by some people on Tuesday

That is true.

I'd been working up to conscientiously squashing my many misgivings to vote for Hillary but I'm so fucking dismayed by her bullshit today. I can compartmentalize and forgive an awful lot of her but despite the fact that socially people seem to have the all clear to joke about AIDS now, it is still a really horrific, painful part of very recent history and I actually do care that she did this and if I do decide not to vote for her, today will be why.

Sanders is a nice idea but I cannot picture him leading anything but a fuckin march down main street.

I know it's always been voting for the slightly shinier turd and it's why every election I try not to care or commit too much to anyone
it all just bums me the fuck out

well said

shinier turd? not on my watch. unshiny turd '16

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Posted: March 11, 2016 at 10:03:45 PM
Did u notice how hillary's bit gets like one paragraph 3/4ths of the way in? Story will be gone by next week, its already getting buried by chicago shenanigans"

Not if I have anything to say about it.

Sorry, I'm having a bad couple of days, but I know (well knew) actual dead people that might not be if it wasn't for the Reagan code of silence wrt HIV/AIDS and IV drug use, let alone their chuckling behind the hand gay plague garbage. Clinton needs to remove "misspoke" from her vocabulary, and actually retract/apologize. These aren't verbal gaffes, they are bad positions and opinions.

And or disingenuous triangulation of public opinion which is worse

^^^^

"I was just trying to get more votes" is the only explanation I have any time for

"Sanders is a nice idea but I cannot picture him leading anything but a fuckin march down main street."

cool analysis

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/708526970242519041

both sides should tone it down at the trump protests, says hillary

jeez, imagine if the word "certain" was in some of these statements. hillary's fans would be SUPER mad!

That IS a very odd statement.

Is that real?

banner day

I guess it's real:

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/708526634459078656

oy fucking vey.

wonder how those families in Charleston feel about the uses to which their (no doubt agonizing) act of forgiveness is being put to.

hillary bot needs some reprogramming

tbf the content of that statement is "what I mean by americans should come together is that those americans who wish to be titanic racists in public actually don't get to"

her attempt to placate conservatives who might want to leave the Trump train by praising a conservative icon, like, I get it as a strategy, but you could have complimented the dresses Nancy wore. instead of praising the woman who refused to help Rock Hudson multiple times.

the protest comments, jesus.

She says ".@realDonaldTrump: condoning violence against protesters and press at your rallies is the real disgrace." I have no problem with it. You have to work really hard to think her stance is "protestors should be nicer to Donald Trump."

uhh, however the tweet that schwantz quoted has a *very* different message

which paints the violence equation on roughly equal ground, saying people on all sides should reject violence in politics, which reads as an indictment of sorts of any protesters involved in the fray along with the Trump goons.

which, sorry, after seeing party after party carted off with bloodied appendages from Trump rallies due to his goon-puppeteering, I'm not going to rally behind. he's the one cultivating the violence, the protesters are usually the ones defending themselves.

I'm calling it now: the tactics Trump used last night are the same he will use to ultimately leave the race. He'll tell some blatant and easily-disproved lie about how he's been told that to continue running would pose a threat to his supporters or some nonsense like that so he'll get to leave on his terms and put the blame on some imaginary specter in the process AND have the added bonus of getting his supporters riled the fuck up on the way out.

This is all based on my continued belief that, despite his megalomania, Trump does not actually want to be president and recognizes on some level that he's way out of his depth.

when has realizing he's way out of his depth kept Rubio, Trump, Gerald Ford, Franklin Pierce, and James Buchanan from running for president

(xpost) I used to think that many months ago, that he was just bored and screwing around. But if he exits now, then what was all this for?

he's dying of liver failure and this is his final fuck you to the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaaZZN9VYs

he's dying of liver failure and this is his final fuck you to the world

Make a Wish Foundation, maybe?

Gah, Clinton's equivalency. Sure, it's both sides that need to chill out here, the Trump supporters hitting people and threatening violence and being racist and xenophobic and KKKrazy, and the other supporters who ... don't like that!

Here (and elsewhere, with no doubt increased momentum) was a preview of what a President Trump would do to our country. It'd totally be like a strongman dictator, a gilded looney at the top and the people angry and rioting in the streets.

(FWIW, had plenty of friends there last night, afaict the protest scene outside was much more chill than the scene inside, at least early-on).
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10363396_10153504850426375_1151382286616588646_n.jpg?oh=f43690ef358fe05f0f011a7f558f14a7&oe=578DE87E

Kasich courageously confronts Trump--March 12, 2016, a couple of days before his last-hope primary.

Anecdotal Trump craziness. A friend posted that a guy drove by the protest in a Mazda and yelled "bring jobs back to America!" So my friend yelled back "Buy American!" And the guy responded with ... "It doesn't matter!" Then drove off. Another friend's Facebook post brought out a crazy who ranted about the protestors being immature and stifling Trump's free speech and drawing people closer to him, etc. Yeah, if you think Trump is mature and fosters free speech, sure, I can see why you'd further embrace the rules of Opposite Day and like him even more for being run out of town by the men, women, children of all races, colors, religions and ethnicity offended by his existence.

Also, xpost to Veggie, it's not picking the shiniest turd that makes this election so heartbreaking. It's that I really can't conceive of any context where Sanders could be dismissed as the shinier of turds. He's not a turd at all. And yet we will inevitably have to turn our backs on him and vote for the shinier of turds, anyway. That's what bums me the fuck out. At least theoretically. I early voted for Sanders already, a few days ago. Have no idea how he'll do, or if he'll do, but it felt good, or at least, didn't feel bad. Also got to vote locally for Tammy Duckworth and Kim Foxx, which is once again a reminder that president is just one office, and that there are plenty of shitheads who need to be held to account or held in check by fresh faces. Don't get disheartened by what we don't have or can't change. Get energized by the changes we can bring about.

look i see you guys are pretty angry here but frederik spelled out exactly what i was trying to say re: voters not agreeing that sanders' record is better:

She is way more popular among democratic voters than he is. And especially among minorities, and especially among black voters. Protesting that really, both candidates seem clueless about race is stupid (and perhaps almost offensive), because, y'know, a couple of 'races' are sending a pretty strong signal that one of the candidates gets it better than the other, y'know? Try listening to them.
― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Wednesday, March 9, 2016 8:56 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

Fuck You!!!!!!

almost to the end of Flowers for Algernon here

Making the rounds from some dude who went to a NC rally a couple of days ago, nice essay:

“So, if you know me or my friend, Seth Quackenboss, then you know that we often get ourselves into ridiculously wacky situations, especially when we're together. Yesterday was one of those days. We decided to drive down to Fayetteville in order to hear a certain orange politician speak. Yes, you guessed it. We went to a Donald Trump rally.

Now, I am not a supporter of Mr. Trump in any way, shape, or form. I'm quite inclined to a certain berning sensation that I've been experiencing for some time. But that's beside the point. The point is, we thought that we were in for a time of jokes and hilarity. And at the beginning, it was. There were a few speakers before Trump came out and they were not well organized at all. They were comical. One man, a veteran, said that he had shed blood on 7 continents. And unless I missed the great Antarctica War, I highly doubt that's true. Let it be known for the record, that I am not against veterans in any way shape or form. I just thought that particular comment was funny. Because I doubt he actually wounded someone in Antarctica. But a more plausible explanation would be that he was doing penguin research and accidentally pricked a penguin and it bled. Anyway…

One speaker also said that we needed to get rid of 911 calls and we all need to handle our problems ourselves. Well...that's highly unlikely. I can't imagine that people will start forgoing 911 calls when their house in burning down in order to try and extinguish the fire themselves. But, ya know, it's a nice thought.

So those were my laughable moments. Trump was about to come out. We had our signs ready. We were going to go all out. Yelling and screaming and whatnot. Because, why else were we there if not to join the spectacle? He comes out. People go crazy. For the first twenty to thirty minutes I sat there with high expectations of hilarity. After half an hour, my feelings turned extremely grim. I was scared and upset. Let me explain...

Trump basically said the same few things the whole time. He knows exactly what will get a cheer from the crowd and he says it. He mentioned his wall several times. About five or six if I can remember correctly. At one point he said "We're going to build a wall. And who's going to pay for it?" And the crowd yelled, "Mexico!" and then they lost their minds. Now, we all know exactly why this is stupid. So I won't elaborate. It was just very unsettling. He mentioned ISIS several times. About ten. But not exactly how to stop ISIS. Just comments like, "We're gonna get ISIS," and "ISIS is going down." Blanket statements. He did say that for America to win again (any sort of winning, not just against ISIS) we have to go outside of the law and he isn't afraid to do it. And that's unsettling for several reasons. But I'm just reporting the facts. And that was all he said on policy. Completely void of content or substance. Just statements that would get the crowd cheering.
Now, let's talk about the protesters. There were many. I think throughout the hour long rally, there were roughly 15-20 groups of protesters. Some of them were individuals and some were in groups. They popped up throughout the rally here and there. And some of them were yelling and causing a raucous but some of them were just standing there with their anti-Trump shirts or their pro-whoever else shirts. They were all removed. Peaceful or violent.
One man had a shirt that said "Love is the answer," and he was thrown out. Trump's comment on this man was, "And love is very important but I mean, who's making love to that guy?" And my stomach churned. A few minutes later, a woman stood up not far from where the other man was and starting protesting. She was removed. Trump's comment was, "She was with the other guy. They're actually a couple. A *clears throat* beautiful *gagging noises* couple." And the crowd laughed and cheered. It was horrifying.

But out of everything I saw, the crowd was the worst part. I have never seen more hateful people in my life. Everyone was just filled with so much hatred. If a protester had a sign, even the peaceful ones, they would take the sign from them, rip it up, and throw it back at the protesters. Whenever a protester would get removed, the crowd would yell horrible things. Once, after a protester was removed, Trump said, "Where are these people coming from? Who are they?" A lady, sitting not 5 feet from me, said, "Well hopefully when you're president, you'll get rid of em all!" Get rid of them? Get rid of anyone who opposes Trump? It was sickening. I felt truly nauseous. And these people loved the protesters. They loved the drama and the chaos. And Trump fed upon it. It was easily one of the strangest and uncomfortable things I've ever witnessed. I could just hear the horrible things being spoken around me and it made my skin crawl.

Needless to say, there was very little laughter on my part. I thought this was going to be joke...and it was, but for a very different reason.
I implore you, if you're thinking about voting for Trump, reconsider. You are only promoting chaos and hatred. I witnessed it firsthand. And trust me, this is not something you want to see in person. This is not what you want to happen to our country.”

Trump's consistency as a crass bully is unsettling.

http://i.imgur.com/mJM4qsh.jpg

then he unhinges his jaw and opens his infinite screaming mouth wide

poor girl

Josh, who did you vote for the Clerk of the Circuit Court? Please don't say Dorothy Brown.

then he unhinges his jaw and opens his infinite screaming mouth wide

come to Teddy. come to Ted-dy.

xpost Hold on, let me check. Jacob Meister? By and large I used this: http://elections.chicagotribune.com/candidates/

I just finished re-reading The Stand and now that picture of Cruz is my default mental image when I picture Randall Flagg hanging out in his hotel room in Vegas

OMG you are so OTM.