Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaaZZN9VYs

he's dying of liver failure and this is his final fuck you to the world

Make a Wish Foundation, maybe?

Gah, Clinton's equivalency. Sure, it's both sides that need to chill out here, the Trump supporters hitting people and threatening violence and being racist and xenophobic and KKKrazy, and the other supporters who ... don't like that!

Here (and elsewhere, with no doubt increased momentum) was a preview of what a President Trump would do to our country. It'd totally be like a strongman dictator, a gilded looney at the top and the people angry and rioting in the streets.

(FWIW, had plenty of friends there last night, afaict the protest scene outside was much more chill than the scene inside, at least early-on).
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Kasich courageously confronts Trump--March 12, 2016, a couple of days before his last-hope primary.

Anecdotal Trump craziness. A friend posted that a guy drove by the protest in a Mazda and yelled "bring jobs back to America!" So my friend yelled back "Buy American!" And the guy responded with ... "It doesn't matter!" Then drove off. Another friend's Facebook post brought out a crazy who ranted about the protestors being immature and stifling Trump's free speech and drawing people closer to him, etc. Yeah, if you think Trump is mature and fosters free speech, sure, I can see why you'd further embrace the rules of Opposite Day and like him even more for being run out of town by the men, women, children of all races, colors, religions and ethnicity offended by his existence.

Also, xpost to Veggie, it's not picking the shiniest turd that makes this election so heartbreaking. It's that I really can't conceive of any context where Sanders could be dismissed as the shinier of turds. He's not a turd at all. And yet we will inevitably have to turn our backs on him and vote for the shinier of turds, anyway. That's what bums me the fuck out. At least theoretically. I early voted for Sanders already, a few days ago. Have no idea how he'll do, or if he'll do, but it felt good, or at least, didn't feel bad. Also got to vote locally for Tammy Duckworth and Kim Foxx, which is once again a reminder that president is just one office, and that there are plenty of shitheads who need to be held to account or held in check by fresh faces. Don't get disheartened by what we don't have or can't change. Get energized by the changes we can bring about.

look i see you guys are pretty angry here but frederik spelled out exactly what i was trying to say re: voters not agreeing that sanders' record is better:

She is way more popular among democratic voters than he is. And especially among minorities, and especially among black voters. Protesting that really, both candidates seem clueless about race is stupid (and perhaps almost offensive), because, y'know, a couple of 'races' are sending a pretty strong signal that one of the candidates gets it better than the other, y'know? Try listening to them.
― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Wednesday, March 9, 2016 8:56 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

Fuck You!!!!!!

almost to the end of Flowers for Algernon here

Making the rounds from some dude who went to a NC rally a couple of days ago, nice essay:

“So, if you know me or my friend, Seth Quackenboss, then you know that we often get ourselves into ridiculously wacky situations, especially when we're together. Yesterday was one of those days. We decided to drive down to Fayetteville in order to hear a certain orange politician speak. Yes, you guessed it. We went to a Donald Trump rally.

Now, I am not a supporter of Mr. Trump in any way, shape, or form. I'm quite inclined to a certain berning sensation that I've been experiencing for some time. But that's beside the point. The point is, we thought that we were in for a time of jokes and hilarity. And at the beginning, it was. There were a few speakers before Trump came out and they were not well organized at all. They were comical. One man, a veteran, said that he had shed blood on 7 continents. And unless I missed the great Antarctica War, I highly doubt that's true. Let it be known for the record, that I am not against veterans in any way shape or form. I just thought that particular comment was funny. Because I doubt he actually wounded someone in Antarctica. But a more plausible explanation would be that he was doing penguin research and accidentally pricked a penguin and it bled. Anyway…

One speaker also said that we needed to get rid of 911 calls and we all need to handle our problems ourselves. Well...that's highly unlikely. I can't imagine that people will start forgoing 911 calls when their house in burning down in order to try and extinguish the fire themselves. But, ya know, it's a nice thought.

So those were my laughable moments. Trump was about to come out. We had our signs ready. We were going to go all out. Yelling and screaming and whatnot. Because, why else were we there if not to join the spectacle? He comes out. People go crazy. For the first twenty to thirty minutes I sat there with high expectations of hilarity. After half an hour, my feelings turned extremely grim. I was scared and upset. Let me explain...

Trump basically said the same few things the whole time. He knows exactly what will get a cheer from the crowd and he says it. He mentioned his wall several times. About five or six if I can remember correctly. At one point he said "We're going to build a wall. And who's going to pay for it?" And the crowd yelled, "Mexico!" and then they lost their minds. Now, we all know exactly why this is stupid. So I won't elaborate. It was just very unsettling. He mentioned ISIS several times. About ten. But not exactly how to stop ISIS. Just comments like, "We're gonna get ISIS," and "ISIS is going down." Blanket statements. He did say that for America to win again (any sort of winning, not just against ISIS) we have to go outside of the law and he isn't afraid to do it. And that's unsettling for several reasons. But I'm just reporting the facts. And that was all he said on policy. Completely void of content or substance. Just statements that would get the crowd cheering.
Now, let's talk about the protesters. There were many. I think throughout the hour long rally, there were roughly 15-20 groups of protesters. Some of them were individuals and some were in groups. They popped up throughout the rally here and there. And some of them were yelling and causing a raucous but some of them were just standing there with their anti-Trump shirts or their pro-whoever else shirts. They were all removed. Peaceful or violent.
One man had a shirt that said "Love is the answer," and he was thrown out. Trump's comment on this man was, "And love is very important but I mean, who's making love to that guy?" And my stomach churned. A few minutes later, a woman stood up not far from where the other man was and starting protesting. She was removed. Trump's comment was, "She was with the other guy. They're actually a couple. A *clears throat* beautiful *gagging noises* couple." And the crowd laughed and cheered. It was horrifying.

But out of everything I saw, the crowd was the worst part. I have never seen more hateful people in my life. Everyone was just filled with so much hatred. If a protester had a sign, even the peaceful ones, they would take the sign from them, rip it up, and throw it back at the protesters. Whenever a protester would get removed, the crowd would yell horrible things. Once, after a protester was removed, Trump said, "Where are these people coming from? Who are they?" A lady, sitting not 5 feet from me, said, "Well hopefully when you're president, you'll get rid of em all!" Get rid of them? Get rid of anyone who opposes Trump? It was sickening. I felt truly nauseous. And these people loved the protesters. They loved the drama and the chaos. And Trump fed upon it. It was easily one of the strangest and uncomfortable things I've ever witnessed. I could just hear the horrible things being spoken around me and it made my skin crawl.

Needless to say, there was very little laughter on my part. I thought this was going to be joke...and it was, but for a very different reason.
I implore you, if you're thinking about voting for Trump, reconsider. You are only promoting chaos and hatred. I witnessed it firsthand. And trust me, this is not something you want to see in person. This is not what you want to happen to our country.”

Trump's consistency as a crass bully is unsettling.

http://i.imgur.com/mJM4qsh.jpg

then he unhinges his jaw and opens his infinite screaming mouth wide

poor girl

Josh, who did you vote for the Clerk of the Circuit Court? Please don't say Dorothy Brown.

then he unhinges his jaw and opens his infinite screaming mouth wide

come to Teddy. come to Ted-dy.

xpost Hold on, let me check. Jacob Meister? By and large I used this: http://elections.chicagotribune.com/candidates/

I just finished re-reading The Stand and now that picture of Cruz is my default mental image when I picture Randall Flagg hanging out in his hotel room in Vegas

OMG you are so OTM.

^^^ hahaha yes!

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Surprised white anglo saxon protestants are negatively correlated to being Trump voters. Never pictured his supporters as Catholics

Catholics who think their new pope is a bit too liberal

Sooo much of this follows from 'no high school diploma'. Soooooo much.

i am unreasonably annoyed at how they chose to sort those correlations

by strength of correlation?

I notice that in the small print Anglo-Saxon becomes European. That's not how I learned the word.

Josh, that is the correct answer. I appreciate your support.

xpost lol, i got that part. i'm just not sure that's the clearest way to present the information to the average person with low statistics literacy. but it's no big deal (that's why i was unreasonably annoyed)

Evangelical Christians is + 0.42

but

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants is - 0.42

Huh?

xpost lol, i got that part. i'm just not sure that's the clearest way to present the information to the average person with low statistics literacy. but it's no big deal (that's why i was unreasonably annoyed)

― Karl Malone, Saturday, March 12, 2016 2:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right but doing it from + to - would be actively misleading imo

yeah, i suppose it's not the sort that's the problem but the whole way it's laid out. it's kind of ridic but splitting it up into two columns - people connected to these variables are into Trump; people connected to these other variables are not into Trump - would make it more clear. wouldn't exactly win infographic of the year award tho

Is this what you're saying - one column for positive correlations, one column for negative correlations. I'd be interested to see more of the negative ones, there's only 3 on there.

oh yeah, you just said that, my eye strain's getting the better of me.

The negative WASP correlation basically just means he's not really that popular overall, right? If even northern Europeans are a negative correlation, then he's not winning any broad demographic in that realm.

the article that's from would have been more useful
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

so the WASP thing really means that he's thriving in areas where there's economic conflict between ethnicities and white fear of displacement?

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So here's my story about this picture, and I promise you it's the god honest truth :
my friend Sean Kavanagh and I are walking out of the UIC Pavilion filled with some of the most palpable joy I've ever experienced. We did it. We fought for the truth and for a moment, a brief day, WON.
As we are leaving Trump protestors form small sections, small channels where Trump supporters can pass through to exit (a kindness which isn't quite afforded in the inverse when ya know, people get sucker punched being forced out of Trump rallies).
As people are walking out we're saying things like "Bye racists", "You lost. Please just go home now." bc many are leaving with shoves and shoulder checks, begrudgingly, but most with pent up fury.
The woman pictured with me and what looks to be her husband we're stragglers in the pack, and started responding to people's jeers. Some guy ripped a sign out of the man's hands and another man leapt out of nowhere, encouraging everyone around to respect them and let them leave (again, sometimes America is amazing).
This woman is a human being and although I don't share her views, I start yelling "I will respect my elders. Please. Leave." and a few other great folks and I start to clear the path. I walk right up to her and say "Ma'am we have listened to you. We understand this is all a little wild but we have cleared a path for you to leave *my right hand was constantly swinging in motion, showing her the path out we made for her, as shown in the photo*"
She goes, and I quote "Go? Back in my day, you know what we did-"
Bam. Hail's Hitler.
I go "Ma'am you are endagering your life doing this. LEAVE. TAKE YOUR HUSBAND AND LEAVE." (I mean, anyone who knows me knows I get loud, so you know, sorry about that.)
And she won't. She won't budge. A young woman comes up to me and says "She wants this. Leave her be." looks to her and goes "God bless you. I hope you make it home safe." and I walk away from her astounded.
I have never experienced anything like tonight. To see America rise up for a man who hates so much of it, then for him to get checked so wonderfully by a city I love so much, and then for his followers to scream and cackle to the bitter end.
So many fights were stopped. So many people protected others instead of encouraging mayhem. Don't believe the hype : protestors only stoked a fire in these people that was born long before they had Trump to personify it.
Hate is real my friends. Vicious, hurt you if you aren't watching, worse if they can get away with it indignance was in so many eyes there.
I say that bc know this : hope is real too. Hope that when we stand up against hate from time to time, and collectively, we can defeat it. Or at least silence that beast, for one damn night.
We are at a point in America where those people, Trump supporters, make me sad. But the ones who make me angry? The incredibly intelligent, brightest minds I know, who sit on their hands and do nothing, don't vote, don't volunteer, and pretend as though their knowledge abdicates them from action.
The world is broken, I learned that best from Christianity. But I don't believe even one thing on this Earth is beyond repair, and I learned that from Christianity too.
You don't have to share my belief in Christianity, but I am asking you to stand up against hate. Or this woman's slanted arm never bears a greater weight than her own ignorance. She may never get the shot to understand love, living in the world where that symbol actually rules again.
Don't let that happen. Do something. Please, for the sake of everyone, do something.

Whoa

Great pic. I like the bearded dude who is like what? is? going? on? here?

that's good, thanks

i'm getting the increasing impression that the cops are working for trump. this is a problem.

sounds like a reliable narrator "ma'am please leave this establishment m'lady"

Big hoos hotel vibes strong in this one

I go "Ma'am you are endagering your life doing this. LEAVE. TAKE YOUR HUSBAND AND LEAVE." (I mean, anyone who knows me knows I get loud, so you know, sorry about that.)

...endangering her life?

I read it like, if you are on the losing end of a protest, and both side are pretty riled up, the last thing you want to do a strike a Nazi pose and invite/incite violence.

Xpost I've met or known so many people like that!

hmm the perspective it gives me is that her pose was a response to the counter protesters tearing her sign up, but ymmv

Striking a Nazi pose is nagl ever.

agreed, for sure

No Illinois Nazi jokes?

and yet the left is really running w this Trump = Hitler thing also. to an extent i don't think Republicans even did during the health care debates. you have Sarah Silverman on TV literally dressed up like Hitler.

Like I posted earlier, he is as close to an actual racist fascist candidate we have ever had in my lifetime, and probably since George Wallace. Trump's earned it.

Lots of good pics from the trib from the protests/rally. I'm fascinated by Chicago area Trump supporters. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-fans-and-foes-of-donald-trump-photos-20160311-photogallery.html

Not to judge anyone by their haircut, but this seems about right for a young Trump supporter:

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